Fairly New to EB - Some questions

**vartan** · 03-22-2010, 18:31

Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII

I know, which is why I roleplay and try to pull even my heaviest cavalry out of melee with spears after a short time. It's just a limitation of the game engine that they can survive for so long in that situation.

Make sure you use the melee weapon if you play another human.

**WinsingtonIII** · 03-22-2010, 18:59

Originally Posted by vartan

Make sure you use the melee weapon if you play another human.

I generally alt click once in melee against the AI too, although I believe it's been stated a couple times on these forums that for lancer cavalry with low-lethality secondaries (such as the kopis), the lance (despite being slow and having a low attack without the charge) is actually more deadly even in prolonged melee simply because the lethality is so high (.3-.4 generally). This isn't true for lancers with better secondaries though.

**Kival** · 03-22-2010, 20:28

Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII

I generally alt click once in melee against the AI too, although I believe it's been stated a couple times on these forums that for lancer cavalry with low-lethality secondaries (such as the kopis), the lance (despite being slow and having a low attack without the charge) is actually more deadly even in prolonged melee simply because the lethality is so high (.3-.4 generally). This isn't true for lancers with better secondaries though.

I do so also most of the time but sometimes it's quite annoying: Your superior cavalry (with some good swordattack e.g.) loses against a lance cavalry (with AP lances) although that other cavalry is not meant to fight well in melee.

**WinsingtonIII** · 03-22-2010, 20:56

Originally Posted by Kival

I do so also most of the time but sometimes it's quite annoying: Your superior cavalry (with some good swordattack e.g.) loses against a lance cavalry (with AP lances) although that other cavalry is not meant to fight well in melee.

Yeah it's quite annoying. Luckily, in EB2 this problem should be solved, because in M2TW cavalry units automatically switch to their secondary after the charge and I believe they have to wait a short time for their lances to "regenerate" before they can charge with them again.

**Unintended BM** · 03-22-2010, 21:20

The Late Baktrian bodyguard is the best that I've come across. It really depends on the region though. Carthage's bodyguard will basically beat the crap out of everyone in the west, but they're not anywhere near some of the eastern units, I think.

**vartan** · 03-22-2010, 21:33

Originally Posted by Kival

I do so also most of the time but sometimes it's quite annoying: Your superior cavalry (with some good swordattack e.g.) loses against a lance cavalry (with AP lances) although that other cavalry is not meant to fight well in melee.

The secondary isn't meant for single player =]

**WinsingtonIII** · 03-22-2010, 21:47

Originally Posted by vartan

The secondary isn't meant for single player =]

The lethality of the lances don't change in multiplayer, I remember ASM was talking about this a while back, some lancer cavalry are simply better in prolonged melees with their lances than with their secondaries. Considering it's just a lethality issue, it shouldn't matter who you're playing, because it all comes down to stats in this case.

**Hannibal Khan the Great** · 03-22-2010, 23:04

Het Kats have a cool looking AP kopis that only generals have otherwise....

**Spartan498** · 03-23-2010, 16:57

Thanks everyone for your feedback. Leads me to a followup question regarding the strongest cavalry. I'd like to do some of my own testing but when I go to the Custom Battle, every faction I see only has a like 5 choices of cavalry and most of them are mercenaries. I don't even see the option to pick the FM Cavalry for factions like Sauro or Saka. What am I doing wrong?