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    What game are they bringing out next in the series?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionhard View Post
    What game are they bringing out next in the series?
    Rome2 Total War (i hope!)
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    Rome2 Total War (i hope!)
    God yes.

    Then there could be a EBIII? With an all improved AI think about the wonders EB can be!

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    I think the M2TW AI is better than RTW, but it's still not great. Megas is definitely right that the campaign AI is much better about maintaining alliances and accepting reasonable proposals, however, it can still be very stubborn. The changed recruitment (with recruitment pools) also helps with AI army composition, because it cannot simply recruit the same unit over and over, especially with elites. In terms of battle AI, it's roughly the same, however I've personally found that the AI generals are a bit less suicidal.

    Of course, the biggest improvement in the M2TW AI over RTW is that it is moddable.
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    M2TW AI is moddable? gosh, that is a wonderful new!!! i can't wait EB 2 to come out... what about NTW battle and campaing AI?
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    I don't have NTW so I can't tell you for certain. ETW campaign AI was decent in my opinion. It was a bit too passive and had issues with making full stacks (it liked sending 2 units at a time to raid), but in terms of diplomacy you could actually obtain ceasefires, maintain long-lasting alliances with borders, etc. I believe NTW campaign AI is pretty much the same.

    ETW battle AI was pretty bad. Units tended to charge to melee far too often, sometimes after only 1 volley, the generals were even more suicidal (I think this was mainly because general's bodyguards are very weak in ETW as opposed to being the tanks they generally were in RTW and M2TW), and the AI couldn't even form a straight firing line (they bunched up). From what I've seen of NTW videos though, the battle AI seems a bit better. It actually manages to form straight lines, it charges to melee less often, and it attempts to flank. One problem is it tends to hone its cavalry in on your artillery and charge at it regardless of what's in way (like lots of bullets/canister shot), and general's are still suicidal maniacs. Also, the AI always attacks if you outclass it in artillery, even if it has a great defensive position and you are the one who should be on the attack, but I guess on some level it needs to do this because otherwise you could just shoot it up with your superior artillery (which have unlimited ammo btw). I definitely want NTW though, I actually enjoyed ETW, despite the bugs and issues, and NTW looks miles better than ETW when it comes to those things.

    ETW and NTW AI are also moddable as well I believe, I know I've seen CAI and BAI mods for Empire, and I've heard about ones for NTW. My biggest advice when it comes to NTW is don't listen to the people who are still feeling burned about ETW, have never played NTW, and talk about ETW issues as if they are in NTW. ETW was a big mess in terms of bugs, but I don't understand why some people refuse to acknowledge that NTW is a superior game, it's like they want to be disappointed. That said, I'm personally waiting until the price of NTW drops a bit before getting it myself.
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    Oh yeah, and M2TW measures your relationship with the AI factions, too. "Abysmal" or "friendly" and so forth. Moreover, the diplomacy scrolls state if your offer is a "good offer" or "bad offer," so the idiots in the crowd won't have much of a reason to complain when the AI won't accept 1 Mnai for a city. I find that these factions really help in the arts of diplomacy.

    It's the small things that I liked about M2TW. Other than that, it's a pretty crappy game. But with all these minor add-ons, it has a lot of potential. EB2 is going to be freakin insane.

    Quote Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII
    Megas is definitely right that the campaign AI is much better about maintaining alliances-
    Yeah, but only because of the marriages. Their purpose is to cement alliances, and that's what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII View Post
    Of course, the biggest improvement in the M2TW AI over RTW is that it is moddable.
    Could you explain to me what can be modded about it? I know there are several A.I. mods available, but I have never tried them (in fact, I barely played vanilla M2:TW). I do remember the fuzz made about Darth's formations for R:TW; and while they were good, they didn't exactly live up to the hype.
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    Are there mods solely for AI enhencement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludens View Post
    Could you explain to me what can be modded about it? I know there are several A.I. mods available, but I have never tried them (in fact, I barely played vanilla M2:TW). I do remember the fuzz made about Darth's formations for R:TW; and while they were good, they didn't exactly live up to the hype.
    Truthfully I'm no modder so I'm not the one to ask... I don't really understand the mechanics of what's going on. It's been awhile since I've played vanilla M2TW so I cannot tell you for certain if the difference is all that noticeable, but I would suggest checking out these threads for Lusted's BAI and CAI and the XAI mod. They should have some reactions, plus they should list what has been changed from the vanilla AI (although that information might be vague).

    I also found this youtube video comparing XAI BAI and vanilla AI. It does appear to show better behavior on the part of the AI.

    I believe this answers your question as well Duguntz, as Lusted's AI and XAI are mods solely for AI enhancement. I believe most M2TW mods use one of these AI mods, though some tweak them a bit or make their own improved AI.
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    Reply to Duguntz: I'm not going to be modest with you. There is no AI. AI is artificial intelligence, and intelligence is all but nonexistent. Playing NTW, the computer acts as foolishly as it has done since RTW. On the bright side, you'll find plenty of people to play with online. Enjoy.
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