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    I'm feeling very left out of the drug scene here in rural Wisconsin. One of my neighbors has chronic pain from a motorcycle accident, so he's always high on Oxycodone. Says his doctors help him "manage" his inevitable addiction, which sounds scary.

    One of the daughters of my police neighbor comes crying to my house 'cause her mom's on drugs. Great. A high cop. Wonderful. I tell the daughter that everything's okay (lie), that her mommy loves her (truth), and that she can come visit whenever she likes (truth). Then I find out that another neighbor, the one who listens to nothing but Rush and who always has Fox News on (visible from the street due to giant TV and lack of curtains) is growing his own pot and smoking it in large quantities. So I guess he's a pothead tea partier. Dude.

    And here I am, utterly left out. I barely drink anymore, gave up smokes seven years ago, never got into prescription drugs and never got into illegal drugs. Hell, if I quit coffee, I'd be clean as a Mormon, which is kinda sad.

    What's the drug situation where you live? Are you on any long-term medication? Are you dealing with addiction?

    And since it sure looks as though everybody who wants drugs is getting them, why don't we legalize and tax this sucker?

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    Just say NO!
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

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    I just want to personally thank you for using the term "tea partier" instead of 'teabagger'.

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    Drugs are so ridiculously easy to get hold of here in the UK (which I imagine is the case in most western countries) that they might as well legalise and tax it. At least then we could cut the deficit.

    And no, I don't think it would lead to the world becoming one big crack smoking ghetto. The US has wasted billions if not more trying to control the drug problem in the Americas over the past 40 or so years and has achieved absolutely nothing. It's probably easier to get hold of drugs in the UK today than it was in the 80's and I imagine it's the same in America. There's always going to be drug users, at least if it's legal the rest of us can earn our own tax break of their stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan View Post
    I smoke. Tobacco. Alone, usually. And outdoors.
    Seven years on and I still kinda miss smoking. I wouldn't go back to it, but I reserve the right to feel wistful.

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    There are a lot of alcohol problems round here, the Scottish Parliament is wanting to go the route of Sweden and get a state monopoly on alcohol sales and hike the prices up.

    I heard that parts of Scotland and Norther Ireland have the highest number of teetotalers in Europe, yet also the highest levels of alcohol consumption per person. You do the maths...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tibilicus View Post
    Drugs are so ridiculously easy to get hold of here in the UK (which I imagine is the case in most western countries) that they might as well legalise and tax it. At least then we could cut the deficit.

    And no, I don't think it would lead to the world becoming one big crack smoking ghetto. The US has wasted billions if not more trying to control the drug problem in the Americas over the past 40 or so years and has achieved absolutely nothing. It's probably easier to get hold of drugs in the UK today than it was in the 80's and I imagine it's the same in America. There's always going to be drug users, at least if it's legal the rest of us can earn our own tax break of their stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    There are a lot of alcohol problems round here, the Scottish Parliament is wanting to go the route of Sweden and get a state monopoly on alcohol sales and hike the prices up.

    I heard that parts of Scotland and Norther Ireland have the highest number of teetotalers in Europe, yet also the highest levels of alcohol consumption per person. You do the maths...


    Buckfast does not seem to help. In a survey last year of 172 prisoners at a young offenders’ institution, 43 percent of the 117 people who drank alcohol before committing their crimes said they had drunk Buckfast. In a study of litter in a typical housing project, 35 percent of the items identified were Buckfast bottles. And the police in the depressed industrial district of Strathclyde recently told a BBC program that the drink had been mentioned in 5,638 crime reports between 2006 and 2009 (the bottle was used as a weapon in 114 of them).

    A spokesman for J. Chandler & Company, which distributes the drink, said that Buckfast accounted for less than 1 percent of the alcoholic beverage market in Scotland and was being unfairly singled out. Nor, he said, is wine-making a sign that the monks of Buckfast Abbey have strayed from the teachings of St. Benedict, an accusation recently leveled by an Episcopal bishop.

    “It’s always wise to remember that Jesus turned water into wine,” the spokesman, Jim Wilson, said in an interview.

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    Buckfast does not seem to help. In a survey last year of 172 prisoners at a young offenders’ institution, 43 percent of the 117 people who drank alcohol before committing their crimes said they had drunk Buckfast. In a study of litter in a typical housing project, 35 percent of the items identified were Buckfast bottles. And the police in the depressed industrial district of Strathclyde recently told a BBC program that the drink had been mentioned in 5,638 crime reports between 2006 and 2009 (the bottle was used as a weapon in 114 of them).

    A spokesman for J. Chandler & Company, which distributes the drink, said that Buckfast accounted for less than 1 percent of the alcoholic beverage market in Scotland and was being unfairly singled out. Nor, he said, is wine-making a sign that the monks of Buckfast Abbey have strayed from the teachings of St. Benedict, an accusation recently leveled by an Episcopal bishop.

    “It’s always wise to remember that Jesus turned water into wine,” the spokesman, Jim Wilson, said in an interview.
    I have the good fortune of coming from the said Strathclyde region. It's weird... there are a lot of people of Northern Irish descent in my area that took an oath not to drink that was apparently popular over there, and yet the people living right next to them have died drowning in their own puke. I guess we don't do moderation here.

    In any case, I'm not a prohibitionist, the bolded part above being one obvious reason why. Although it's worth remembering that prohibition was much more tied to the early Labour movement that it was with religious movements in Scotland.
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    Just to kick this conversation in the tender bits, would anyone care to form a cogent argument in favor of the war on drugs and prohibition?

    As for the religious justification for drinking, I'm reminded of my convo with my fundie, teetotaling mother-in-law over whether or not alcohol should be served at my wedding: "He didn't change the water into diet cola, now did he?"

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    Alcohol is my only drug. I'm not a fan of OTC or prescription meds, I don't take anything, not even aspirin or decongestants. I assume pot is easily accessible, but I don't really run in those circles anymore. There is a high school not too far away, I'm sure some pot could be scored with little effort. It's not obvious that anyone in the neighborhood is an addict, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

    Lemur, sounds to me like you need to start a meth lab. If you aren't going to partake, at least make some money out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    I'm feeling very left out of the drug scene here in rural Wisconsin. One of my neighbors has chronic pain from a motorcycle accident, so he's always high on Oxycodone. Says his doctors help him "manage" his inevitable addiction, which sounds scary.
    Some people legitimately do need a lot of painkillers for constant pain. A bigger problem to me than some people consuming painkillers constantly is the attorneys and DEA going after doctors for prescribing painkillers. The attorneys are looking to score convictions based on science they don't understand, leading to people not being treated because doctors are afraid to do so.

    Also, addiction may be overstated:
    Quote Originally Posted by US News
    What is lacking is not the way to treat pain effectively but the will to do it. For a quarter of a century, pain specialists have been warning with increasing stridency that pain is undertreated in America. But a wide array of social forces continue to thwart efforts to improve treatment. Narcotics are the most powerful painkillers available, but doctors are afraid to prescribe them out of fear they will be prosecuted by overzealous law enforcers, or that they will turn their patients into addicts . . . “We are pharmacological Calvinists,” says Dr. Steven Hyman, director of the National Institute of Mental Health.

    The authors go on to state:

    But at the heart of the debate is confusion about what constitutes addiction and what is simply physical dependence.

    Most people who take morphine for more than a few days become physically dependent, suffering temporary withdrawal symptoms–nausea, muscle cramps, chills–if they stop taking it abruptly, without tapering the dose. But few exhibit the classic signs of addiction: a compulsive craving for the drug’s euphoric or calming effects, and continued abuse of the drug even when to do so is obviously self-destructive. In three studies involving nearly 25,000 cancer patients, [researcher Russell] Portenoy found that only even became addicted to the narcotics they were taking . . . “If we called this drug by another name, if morphine didn’t have a stigma, we wouldn’t be fighting about it,” says [researcher Kathleen] Foley.
    More recently, The Feds have taken to having grand juries investigate activists who defend doctors with crimes, and asking for gag orders on those who defend the doctors. And then agents forced their way into the homes of patients.

    People ought to be able to get whatever pain meds they need. I don't give a care if some people abuse the system. Better that than those in need not getting any relief.

    One of the daughters of my police neighbor comes crying to my house 'cause her mom's on drugs. Great. A high cop. Wonderful.
    Good grief.

    Then I find out that another neighbor, the one who listens to nothing but Rush and who always has Fox News on (visible from the street due to giant TV and lack of curtains) is growing his own pot and smoking it in large quantities. So I guess he's a pothead tea partier. Dude.
    Well, hopefully that's another republican against the drug war.
    And here I am, utterly left out. I barely drink anymore, gave up smokes seven years ago, never got into prescription drugs and never got into illegal drugs. Hell, if I quit coffee, I'd be clean as a Mormon, which is kinda sad.
    What if you drink soda?

    What's the drug situation where you live? Are you on any long-term medication? Are you dealing with addiction?
    Lots of BC bud, in which I do not indulge.

    And since it sure looks as though everybody who wants drugs is getting them, why don't we legalize and tax this sucker?
    Why do you hate children so much? They'd just become addicted and then become crackheads. And it'd only take a week tops!

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    I'm naturally a little bit afraid of anything addictive. Forget about health consequences, the thought of being dependent on the intake of some substance my body doesn't normally need to function is enough to put me off trying drugs. Of course I drink, but I have gone great stretches of time without drinking and not even thinking of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    People ought to be able to get whatever pain meds they need. I don't give a care if some people abuse the system. Better that than those in need not getting any relief.
    Agreed 100%.

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    I mix aspirin and melatonin, and throw in a shot of Nyquil and Red Bull when I really want to party.
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    Right now in my high school weed is pretty much everywhere. Even the Student Association, chess clubs (I kid you not, my friend swears to baby jesus he sells to them), and similiar people with enough time on their hands to stay after school smoke marijuana. When I had dreadlocks people asked me for a hookup all the time when I walked down the street. One of my friends got caught stealing a aerasol can (The thing you spray to clean out keyboards), for some reason dont ask me why, the school sent him to the Renaisccance Academy. Basically a school they send all the troublemakers. They sent him in the "Drug intervention" program because they thought he was going to use the can as some sort of drug. Since then hes tried coke,ecastasy,and a variety of pills. He said he has access to pretty much everything now, its ironic.

    Quit calling your neigbor a pothead. You dont know that, one drink doesnt make you a alcoholic so just because he grows that doenst make him a pothead.
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    Some words: I am unusually ironic recently. But drugs are really a sensitive topic and I am quite conservative here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mooks View Post
    Even the Student Association, chess clubs (I kid you not, my friend swears to baby jesus he sells to them), and similiar people with enough time on their hands to stay after school smoke marijuana.
    I am sure the chess club has come out with innovative ideas how to remove the enemy King from the game.

    Then I find out that another neighbor, the one who listens to nothing but Rush and who always has Fox News on (visible from the street due to giant TV and lack of curtains) is growing his own pot and smoking it in large quantities. So I guess he's a pothead tea partier. Dude.
    Just pray he won't dry his pot near a fireplace. Or worse, he could get an exhibitionistic leanings.

    It' sounds funny when you are an ocean away, I know. More seriously, good luck!


    And here I am, utterly left out. I barely drink anymore, gave up smokes seven years ago, never got into prescription drugs and never got into illegal drugs. Hell, if I quit coffee, I'd be clean as a Mormon, which is kinda sad.
    No, you would call me so that we found a nice club of non-smokers and sober people. We are becoming a minority!

    What's the drug situation where you live? Are you on any long-term medication? Are you dealing with addiction?
    Well, Bulgaria and Eastern Europe in general is catching up to the Western standarts remarkably quickly in this aspect. I doubt anybody who wants to get drugs will have any problem with it in Bulgaria. However, I am still lucky not to clash this problem on daily basis. But I am not that optimistic for the future.

    About addiction: fortunately, not. Perhaps the only similiar feeling I experienced was when I got Medieval Total war (I remember I spent my whole weekend playing it with only 4 hours for sleeping/per day) but fortunately, I put the things back under control before the beginning of the week. So no (much) more PC games and much more time on other activities. This forum is not really a bad addiction, although I sometimes realise I spend too much time here.
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    I booze and I smoke my pipe (for the ladies)

    I also take aderoal and concertia to help concentrate for exams.

    Im hardly addicted to any of it though
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    I sometimes smoke weed and sometimes some coke at party's, no medicines. Can't live without wine but that is love rather then addiction.

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    For the legal stuff, two cups of coffee every morning and my wine rack is currently holding a little over 70 bottles. Scienter and I share a bottle a night about 5 nights a week. For the rest, I used to smoke a ton of weed, but haven't smoked at all for about a year and a half. I'd probably smoke more often if it wasn't such a pain in the ass to grow and if I knew a dealer. Essentially, I'm not smoking weed anymore because I'm too lazy. Go figure.


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    I never smoke anything or use any drugs.... (as smoke anything rather than tobacco, cat's brain, banana peels, or frog skin could potentially take you to the gallows here...) --> my Lungs are still very2 clean....

    And if you count alcohol, I only drinks on some occasion, and I can go a long time without them (especially when their prices are high).... but If you must count any addiction... well, I was addicted to eating fried chickens, as I eat them nearly everyday...

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    Cigarettes and coffee are my drugs.


    I used to drink a fair bit when I was still a student. Ever since I do not need a fully functioning brain anymore, I've mostly stopped drowning my brain cells in alcohol.

    Had some pot when I was fifteen, got very sick from it, and didn't touch it since. Have never tried anything stronger, with the motto: 'I'll really like it, or really not, and either way will be a problem'.



    One more vote to legalise and tax it.

    Lastly, do watch out with alcohol and drugs. I've seen good people be destroyed by both. It is very dehumanising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Cigarettes and coffee are my drugs.
    Same here. I know people who smoke pot, but I choose not to smoke it. If that's what they want to do to have fun or relax I see no problem with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Cigarettes and coffee are my drugs.
    A classic—perhaps the classic—combination.

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    Hey, I'm not gonna lie. If cocaine were legal and cheap I would totally be a coke head. But as it stands I will have to settle for Chicken Fried Steak and strong coffee.
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    I fully admit to being a caffeine addict, I really do need a bare minimum of 4 coffee's equivalent in a day to get through it. Reaching 8 isn't particularly unusual for me and can lead to some hilarious situations when I go further and get a massive caffeine rush during uni classes. I drink quite regularly, more regularly than most of my mates, but I haven't done that in a couple of weeks and have made myself drive around a lot more just so I can prove to myself I don't need it.

    I've never smoked cigarettes in my life and utterly detest the idea - plus being asthmatic from a very young age sort of puts me off the idea. However, I've tried marijuana a few times and it has had varying effects on me. First time did very little, and the third time was very mellowing, but the second time is an experience I will never forget that was so incredibly fantastic.

    As for legalisation, I fully support the complete decriminalisation of drugs and instead focussing on rehabilitation and the drug trade. I suggest that anyone who wants to know more about how successful this has been in Portugal should read this paper (PDF file down near the bottom) by Glenn Greenwald.
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    Strongly against all drugs.

    I avoid even Panadol/Panadine etc unless I can't walk due to pain.

    Never had any coffee. Never had any alcohol. I hold my breath while walking past smokers. Cease talking to people I know IRL that do drugs constantly.
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    I can now believe that you are actually upset at people capitalizing your username...

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