Jesus Dies For Our Sins... How To Ask Him To Erase All The Porn?

[Centurion1]

im catholic i have confession.

and i can admit im not a perfect human being. which in my mind is the most important thing. i think porn in theory is wrong sort of and i can understand the churchs position on it but i also realize that i am not perfect and have poor self discipline regarding the flesh, and food, and language, and fighting, and oh god whatever im a weak person

[Cute Wolf]

So, you're not going to chase any more tail? Or, more to the point, you're going to stop watching porn, right?

yeah... I actually only watch them while I was really bored... but now, I must consider to stop it alltogether because of that...

Now that you've mentioned it, the issue of judging people is one I have been wondering about recently. Although people like to shout "Judge not lest ye be judged" at Christians, I think they are taking that somewhat out of context, since in the same verse, Jesus does go on to say that first take out the beam in your own eye and then admonish your brother.

There is a habit with both liberals and the stricter Christians to take verses out of context and use them to support prohibitions of certain things when in fact the author intended to give a warning again excessive use or the abuse of them. Such is the case with the prohibitions people place on alcohol, or taking oaths, or lawsuits etc.

I think it depends if you are talking of general standards or legalistic standards. By general standards, I just mean the common sense view that obviously some acts are far worse than others, both in their consequences and from a moral perspective. But with the legal standards with God and his justice and punishment etc, anything less than perfection is an abomination.

And where is the treshold of excessive porn watching, I mean only three or four times in a week...

So far we have all missed the burning question:

Why are you taking (and using) a laptop to church in the first place? Seriously. Leave it at home. In the car. Whatever. That's like taking a bong to grandmas house, you are just asking for trouble.

Wierdo

I forgot to mention that I was actually use the very same laptop to help the presentation on sunday school.... talking about how bad it can be... if I foresaw about that, I wouldn't login as administrator so often...

Then go post on a Christian forum. It's about as realistic as me opening a thread going:

"Hey guys I think we should all blatantly discriminate Israel, but please Fragony and other right-wing people don't respond kthxbai."

Hax, it was a personal matters anyway... you didn't want to ask something about teaching of Buddha and got How great Xenu are explained in details, yes? and I couldn't ask that on facebook because my girl will read that and got angry again...

This is why I am no longer a Christian, too many irritating people and self-righteous people. I can understand why he thinks he can tell you to do things, as he feels he's looking out for you, but in reality, he's just shoving his nose into other people's business.

Of course it is. Every species on the planet wants and needs to reproduce, we've all got hormones. Fiddling to some pics of naked ladies is hardly a crime. Sex isn't bad like a lot of denominations say, you should just be careful and aware of the conscequences.

Maybe you're right... but how to avoid that when you decide to be more religious a bit... all the visits is irritating in some ways, that's true...

When Jesus was asked which was the great commandment, he had a ready answer for a number one, and even threw in a bonus number two. This suggests to me that not all commandments are equal, but rather some are weighted more heavily than others. Since I see sin as basically the breaking of God's commandments, it follows that not all sins are weighted equally. Furthermore, when Peter expanded the church to the gentiles, he received a revelation allowing him to dial back some of the dietary laws and the circumcision thing, which I suspect would have made proselytizing difficult. On the other hand, God didn't make any changes to the no murder or no idolatry clauses. If God appears willing to alter or rescind some commandments depending on the time and place, but not others, that seems like further evidence that not all sins are equal.

Ajax

Hope that it was meant God never said: You shouldn't watching porn too often... but what was the "often" frequency are?... or did we must take all sins are equal and proceed to delete all my porn?

@ Skullheadhq : I'll consider that, made a backup and sent 'em to Netherland... but hey... most of them are asian porn...

[miotas]

There is a habit with both liberals and the stricter Christians to take verses out of context and use them to support prohibitions of certain things when in fact the author intended to give a warning again excessive use or the abuse of them. Such is the case with the prohibitions people place on alcohol, or taking oaths, or lawsuits etc.

I've always thought it strange that some Christians are against alcohol when Christ was clearly a supporter of binge drinking and teen drinking.

[Beefy187]

If you're willing to commit another sin... lying.

Move all your porn (and gaming?) to a external hard drive. Every ones happy.

[PanzerJaeger]

Delete the priest, keep the porn.

+10

[Furunculus]

First I'm not joking...

Actually, everything was fine before... just fine as usual... but recently, I consider to getting more involved in the Church activity, after someone points out that I almost never had any "real" friends in the church, outside my university mates, that was rarely attend the church now, and just recently, the evangelist pay me a visit, and he ask me to be more active at the church...

But here is the problem, I agreed to help them in some jobs... and everything goes fine... until I forgot to log off my laptop there, and some curious kids (!real children at the sunday school!) opened the windows explorer.....

And they found out my (previously well-hidden) personal collection of porn.... a special partition on the Hard disk, really a lot of pictures and video collections... worth of almost two years browsing downloading and collecting them... as well as some that my friends kindly share...

Of course, when they ask me... "what is that?"... I just tell them.. It's not your business and I think everything was over... but then, the very same evangelist come, and ask me to erase all my porn and games from all my computer, because they will do no good, and inhibit me to heard what did the God want from me....

Yeah.. it was basically : Jesus dies for your sins... and you can't just erase all your porn? Well - Well, I know that I wasn't addicted with porn in any serious measures... but he keep asking me to proof that I allready erase them, and you could bet that erasing them ain't an easy job....

I think it was normal for a young man to keep some adult material for his private amusment... but they said that even only watching them is a sin equal to real adultery...

I really need someone Christian who could give me some insight of what should I do with all my porn collections... As Easter is going near and I didn't know should I commit myself into erasing all my porns? And what should I pray to made me easier forgetting them?

Did sometimes watching porns is tolerated in proper Christian life?

Thanks...

*. PS: I really need advices from fellow Christians... so don't bring another pov's arguments here...

your porn is your business, and the only person you have to answer to is god.

if you're happy that your porn collection doesn't interfere with your obligation to your god then keep it, and find another church with a less interfering priest. in my position i would tell him to get **@&£)!

if you realise that looking at naked chicks is harmless, but the crazy animal pr0n is questionable given your faith, then act accordingly.

if you conclude that Rhyfelwyr's quotation elaborates all you need to know on the subject, then delete the porn, but still find a new church because anything run by a priest who wants you to ditch your games is running a crazy cult that will end with mass suicides on the side of a volcano after singing kumbaya as the overdose of sleeping pills kicks in!

[Meneldil]

Maybe you're right... but how to avoid that when you decide to be more religious a bit... all the visits is irritating in some ways, that's true...

Then do not "be more religious a bit", or find a more liberal church.

I'll never understand why people are so eager to have yet another authority telling them what to do. And while I understand (kind of) the "no porn" policy, the fact that he also asked you to erase your games make me think he's just some nutjob. The less you hang out with these brainwashing idiots the better.

[The Stranger]

just send all your porn to me and then delete it....

I won´t die for your sins...but I´ll whack for them! :P

thats just dirty...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't forsee that but I also don't see what you're getting at....one man is in no position to judge another in a Godly sense. Now due to our follies we must set some rules we all agree upon but to assume we can hold the same judgemental powers as God is very prideful

Well, according to you what you do is as bad as murder. So your statement clearly shows that you should stop trying sleep with Co-eds.

Get it?

[naut]

There is a habit with both liberals and the stricter Christians to take verses out of context and use them to support prohibitions of certain things when in fact the author intended to give a warning again excessive use or the abuse of them. Such is the case with the prohibitions people place on alcohol, or taking oaths, or lawsuits etc.

When I was a Christian, my friend who was the youth minister said exactly the same thing. It's fine to drink, have fun, party, all the rest of it as long as you do it in moderation, don't hurt others and understand the consequences. Now, I don't know how that stands in the greater scheme of Christianity, but it made a lot of sense to me.

[The Stranger]

what happened to Live Excessively...

[naut]

what happened to Live Excessively...

Living excessively is different to living to the excess. Living excessively implies living for maximum enjoyment, whatever that is for you and how ever many experiences that is. Living to the excess is doing/consuming as much as possible all the time.

[Rhyfelwyr]

And where is the treshold of excessive porn watching, I mean only three or four times in a week...

I was talking about the issue of judging people when I said that, not the porn issue. Porn is something I would consider to be condemned outright.

When I was a Christian, my friend who was the youth minister said exactly the same thing. It's fine to drink, have fun, party, all the rest of it as long as you do it in moderation, don't hurt others and understand the consequences. Now, I don't know how that stands in the greater scheme of Christianity, but it made a lot of sense to me.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with drinking, partying, or having fun. How much you drink, or eat, or spend on your hobbies etc is a matter of the individual's own conscience. These are what the theologians seem to describe as 'things indifferent' - there's nothing wrong with them in their own right, and it's up to each person to use them as they see appropriately. Some of the stricter Christians can become pharaseeical in placing prohibitions on things when God never felt the need to. Although it should also be remembered that it is not pharaseeical to follow the moral commandments of God (since despite the misuse of the word by more liberal Christians, the pharisees were criticised by Jesus for their adherance to their own traditions, rather than God's commandments), but is instead the duty of every Christian. Porn is, I believe, a breaking of the moral law (seventh commandment), and as such is something that should be condemned outright.

And while I understand (kind of) the "no porn" policy, the fact that he also asked you to erase your games make me think he's just some nutjob. The less you hang out with these brainwashing idiots the better.

Yes. Cute Wolf, the priest has no grounds at all for telling you to delete your games, that is being pharaseeical. The only reason I could think that he might really want to do this is if he felt you were addicted or something (EB can do that), and maybe he felt he was helping you out? But only you can know that.

[Mooks]

Meh, every day that you look at a women in lust you commit adultery. Think about that for a second. If you dont use the porn you already accumulated your going to use your imagination. Its the same sin. Might as well keep the porn.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Meh, every day that you look at a women in lust you commit adultery. Think about that for a second. If you dont use the porn you already accumulated your going to use your imagination. Its the same sin. Might as well keep the porn.

This would be my view, but I would add that self-deception is more likely to anger God than anything else.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

As one of the profound thinkers of the early church put it:

"Lord, Give me chastity and continence...but not yet." -- St. Augustine


There has always been an argument as to whether asceticism was a superior path to God's grace. Denial of the flesh and emphasis on that which is spiritual is a recurrent theme. The other side of the coin is, of course, that God caused us to come into being with these physical desires and to live in a physical world where we must consume food etc. on a regular basis or perish.

I think the basic issue at hand for you is the extent to which such activities leave you self-absorbed and un-connected to others and God. I suspect that the answers to that are pretty well individual. God already knows your answer...but do you?

[Louis VI the Fat]

I really need someone Christian who could give me some insight of what should I do with all my porn collections...


*. PS: I really need advices from fellow Christians... so don't bring another pov's arguments here...

The one Christian advice I can give you is to change denomination and become a Porn Again Christian.

[Cute Wolf]

Yeah, that ever meddling priests just quesioned me again, and after read some of your arguments, I was going into lengthy debate with him... And while I must admit that seeing excessive porns is certainly wrong, and I did consider to reduce that to bare minimum, he asked for me to erase all my games, and replace it with more works on the church . . . . When I ask why? he points out that playing games was not good for the mental health of a CHILD(!), and a child who had exposure to porns and games (he used that phrase again... porns and games) since his youth will develop anti social traits, and must be distanced away from them, in order to gain better social skills.....

WHAT THE? I know that I didn't have much friends at the church... but I have a lot there, at the univ and neighbourhood.... and while he argues that has deletrious efects to a child, he should know that he speaks with 21 years old.... and when I said it was my own business, he threatens to contact my parents.... (my elderly parents live in another city, but having them contacted with a priest who said that their only son collects porn will always generate anoxiousity... and I don't want to made my parents had bad things on their mind about me...)

I'm just tired because of that.... if I don't leave my laptop so recklessly, all of it wouldn't be happened....

Yeah, but anyway, I've decide to erase all my porn... and didn't sent into skullhead foundation because all will takes hundreds of gigabytes....

But when I want to press the "format" button, for some unexplainable reason, I couldn't delete them... (it was set on entirely separate HD partition)... it was really difficult things to do, and then I asked myself... did that was a sign of porn addiction?

The one Christian advice I can give you is to change denomination and become a Porn Again Christian.

LOL
did you have some arguments that tolerate porns at the bible? I sorely need them...

[drone]

WHAT THE? I know that I didn't have much friends at the church... but I have a lot there, at the univ and neighbourhood.... and while he argues that has deletrious efects to a child, he should know that he speaks with 21 years old.... and when I said it was my own business, he threatens to contact my parents.... (my elderly parents live in another city, but having them contacted with a priest who said that their only son collects porn will always generate anoxiousity... and I don't want to made my parents had bad things on their mind about me...)

And with that, it's obvious that the priest is just trying to control you. Instead of giving you a better religious argument, he issues threats. Leave that church now, threats be damned. If you don't it will only get worse.

[Cute Wolf]

And with that, it's obvious that the priest is just trying to control you. Instead of giving you a better religious argument, he issues threats. Leave that church now, threats be damned. If you don't it will only get worse.

Well, maybe I should look for another church then....

[Louis VI the Fat]

did you have some arguments that tolerate porns at the bible? I sorely need them...

1 - Unfortunately you sound most Protestant.


Me, I'm post-Catholic. I understand that sometimes the mind may be willing, but that the flesh is weak. This world being imperfect, man is not perfect, sinful. You are a mortal, imperfect. As are your fellow men, so one's sins are not for others to judge, but between you and your God. This God is forgiving. He did not cast you on this world to suffer, in some depraved act that merely plays out the lives of those predestined to fail, only to punish them for the inevitable.

One ought to struggle to do what is right, repent for that for which one did not find the strength, and for all the rest trust that God, who has shared the fate of the mortal, understands the weakness of the flesh.



2 - Me, I don't have any porn on my computer. I dislike it. I don't consider porn a grave sin. It's just...I enjoy feminine beauty, and watch the odd picture or so, but I'm more intruiged by what remains craftily suggested than what is crassly shown.



3 - Living the right life does not mean depriving oneself of all pleasures of this life. That's for sects. In the appendix to Dawkins' 'The God Delusion', there is a list of adresses for individuals needing support in escaping from religion. My print does not have an adress in Indonesia, but should you need help or counsel, the Council of Australian Humanist Societies can provide it for you in escaping these people.

[Cute Wolf]

but it was all weird anyway... if you ask me to escape again from religion... If you want to know, before deciding to back into Christianity, I was largely agnostic and didn't respect much for the religion... It was my breakup with my muslim girlfriend (caused by external pressures), turned me for a while into a hateful, distressed entity, and at those times, reading the bible again gives me hope and recover, and I even decide to get another relationship with my childhood friend (which was still stable now, despite some problems arise and go)...

Must I going back into agnosticism again just because some meddlesome priests?

[Furunculus]

Must I going back into agnosticism again just because some meddlesome priests?

nope, but should certainly be wary of that nut-bag priest.

[Pannonian]

but it was all weird anyway... if you ask me to escape again from religion... If you want to know, before deciding to back into Christianity, I was largely agnostic and didn't respect much for the religion... It was my breakup with my muslim girlfriend (caused by external pressures), turned me for a while into a hateful, distressed entity, and at those times, reading the bible again gives me hope and recover, and I even decide to get another relationship with my childhood friend (which was still stable now, despite some problems arise and go)...

Must I going back into agnosticism again just because some meddlesome priests?

Read Schindler's Ark. One of the greatest examples of the individual's ability to decide what is right and wrong in those darkest of times. The serially drinking, gambling, womanising Schindler was a greater holy man than your priest will ever be.

[Rhyfelwyr]

The priest is definitely crossing the line and not doing his duty (are you sure he is a "priest" in a Reformed church anyway, not a minister or something?).

Even if you do believe what you did with the porn was wrong, the priest has no right to be going about things as he is. I would talk with him to sort things out, and if he is still threatening you, just leave and become the one man church of Cute Wolf. Or stir up the congregation and cause a schism, that's what Protestantisms all about!

[Subotan]

LOL
did you have some arguments that tolerate porns at the bible? I sorely need them...

It's a sign you're not gay

[Centurion1]

im not a big porn guy myself so i cant believe you had 100's of gigabytes!!!!!! or were you kidding.

Plus you dont watch another dudes porn man............ thats personal **** right there.

[Hax]

and i can admit im not a perfect human being. which in my mind is the most important thing. i think porn in theory is wrong sort of and i can understand the churchs position on it but i also realize that i am not perfect and have poor self discipline regarding the flesh, and food, and language, and fighting, and oh god whatever im a weak person

Self

Judgment.

Acknowledging your "weakness" (we'd need to first define what it is, exactly) doesn't make it any better.

[Subotan]

and i can admit im not a perfect human being. which in my mind is the most important thing. i think porn in theory is wrong sort of and i can understand the churchs position on it but i also realize that i am not perfect and have poor self discipline regarding the flesh, and food, and language, and fighting, and oh god whatever im a weak person

You can have strong self-discipline and follow all of those things, and still be a bad person, isn't that right Chiang Kai-Shek?

[Belisarius II]

So wait. You took advice to erase your porn from a man whose "masters" have male prostitution rings in the Vatican? Oh the irony.

But still, I say erase it. Who knows, some good might come out of it.

Perhaps it's time to convert to Lutheranism! It is thine destiny!