I'm amazed at the progress you guys are making. Ptolemaic fan-boys everywhere thank you!
I'm amazed at the progress you guys are making. Ptolemaic fan-boys everywhere thank you!
Very nice preview, the time period definitely puts a whole new spin on the Ptoelmaic faction... I am amazed at the progress you guys are making with such a small team, your time and efforts are appreciated! :)
Oh and why was the descision made to change the Ptolies colour white?
Thanks for the words.
This is progressing well mainly i believe because we all have a serious passion for the world of Rome Total War.
About the color this is only a suposition from my part but i believe that white is the basic color used in Egypt i believe. Perhaps behind that the decisition to make the Ptolemais faction color white.
Perhaps some other preview will appear soon...
If you guys want any help on Numidia/Mauretania just send me a PM, I did a bunch of research for late era Numidia before when a previous late era mod was planned.
Actualy i do have a doubt.
In late Numidia the Garamantes and the Gaetuli provided or possessed somo cavalry unit that could perhaps be added to the roster unit of Numidia.
Also besides Hiempsal II, Juba I do you know anymore family members or sons that served Hiempsal II or Juba I? Or perhaps some notorious general.
Also about Mauretania they will not appear as a faction however they will be eleutheroi. I know that Bocchus I is the king. However do you have the names of the heirs of Bocchus I or brothers?
Answer 1: Yes, the Gaetulians provided infantry and cavalry for Jugurtha, later Numidian rulers, and even for Roman legions. The Gaetulians were renowned for their bravery and loyalty. I have done a concept for including them in EB2 but they will not be in the first release. If you ask nicely gg2 or I can send you the concept info ;). The Garamantes, meanwhile, had virtually nothing to do with Numidia or Mauritania and existed in their own little kingdom fighting only the occaisonal war, such as against Rome under Lucius Cornelius Balbus, until after the fall of the Roman empire when they expanded into a full fledged African empire that thrived until the invasion of Islam.
Answer 2: I have in my notes that Hiempsal II had a brother named Mastanabal, but I cannot find the source reference. If you can find the source that would be something. As for other Numidians, Hiarbas is a governor who started a revolt in 81 against Hiempsal II, which was ended by Pompey on Sulla's orders to restore the faithful Hiempsal. Dabar is a cousin of Hiempsal who featured in the Jugurthine war and was young then. he might still be alive. Sthembanus was the last son of Massinissa, born only a short time before he died during the third Punic war, meaning he could still be alive at 60, his father lived past 90. Jugurtha had a son named Oxynta. I think he died in the war, but I can't recall, something to look into.
Answer 3: Bocchus has three sons, Volux, Bocchus II and Bogud. Bocchus II was the last king because he killed Bogud, no one says what happens to Volux, and has no heirs. Bogud was married to Eunoë. Look through Caesar's 'African War', there are a ton of nobles and generals mentioned. I myself have only skimmed it, but it contains a lot of detail.
I am posting here to present some info on the Hashmonayim, (Hasmoneans), who 'd be the reason I am watching this mod.
Some sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean
Their King and High Priest at the time of the beginning of the mod.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Jannaeus
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/luke/ueda-sar...nsOfLight.html
From there,
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Osprey Fortress 065 The Forts of Judaea 168 BC AD 73 From the Maccabees to The Fall of Masada.
The armies of everyone by that time were Romani like. I don't think there can be doubts about that. The very fact that Alexander Yonatan had to face civil war means that he was relying on mercs, like everyone else at that time. Mercs like the ones below.
http://www.ancientbattles.com/thureo...ureophoros.jpg
Their best troops that we know of because of Josephus are the "Ioudaioi Ekatontamachoi" or Hundred fighters, who were considered able to outfight a hundred opponents each.
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/vie...p?f=19&t=28448
Other pictorial sources
[ex]
Egypt soldiers of that time,
http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o...naSoldiers.jpg
-some pictures from here sent over to Novus Ordo Mundi dev forum-
(This post will be updated to include more information I have, which I can't access right now).
Historical helmets they 'd use.
A great depiction of a helmet worn at the time and how it was worn is the following,
Notice the thunderbolts adorning the side guards of the helmet.
Last edited by keravnos; 10-10-2010 at 20:58.
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Ah, we have a use for our Spathaphoroi after all...
We're adding Euzonoi (helmet, thureos, shortsword and javelin), Thureophoroi (helmet, thureos, oh spear, and javelin)
Thureophoroi from EB are renamed to Longchephoroi, and we also have Machairophoroi (machaira/kopis, linothorax, thureos, javelin, helmet)
We will also keep the Ioudaioi Taxeis around, and have a unit we can use for the Ekatonamachoi - it was orignally going to be a heavy sword unit for the Syrian factions, but apparently it's only really historical for the Hasmoneans. It has chain mail, a Celtic sword, heavy javelins, helmet, and greaves, with a thureos for a shield.
Last edited by gamegeek2; 10-08-2010 at 16:28.
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"To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a desert and call it peace." -CalgacusOriginally Posted by skullheadhq
That's good to know, thing is I have to insist on having a bronze face thureos as historically attested. I don't understand why it shouldn't since we know that the round aspis shield otherwise known as "hoplon" had bronze coating as well. It would make sense to have a bronze coated thureos for the elite troops of the Hasmonayim. Josephs' testimony makes this imperative.
This one,
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/...dinBritain.jpg
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Tigran (usually mistakenly dubbed Tigranes as per the Greco-centrism ever-so-present in the field of history up through the 20th century) was throned ruler of Syria early during the 80s BC and had to conceded in the 60s BC. More specific dates should be easy to find for historians! hah!
What are the so-called 'Syrian factions' ?
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Syrian is a broad reference to the Levant, in this context. Perhaps I should've said Levantine.
Kos, PM me and I'll give you the forum link...
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"To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a desert and call it peace." -CalgacusOriginally Posted by skullheadhq
Ah of course I forgot that little detail, I suppose for consistency's sake I should have said ''Tigran's Hayastan'' or ''Tigranes' Armenia''. :P
Still, the only factions occupying the Levant at this time would be Hayastan, Nabatea and the Hasmoneans, right?
Thank's Tanit for your informations they will be kept in our mind specialy regarding the names of rulers and heirs and even generals.
About Gaetulim at the presente they are only representated as infantry however a cavalry unit will be good. I will talk with the people in our internal forums and see what can be done.
About the Garamantes they also possess cavalry?
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"To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a desert and call it peace." -CalgacusOriginally Posted by skullheadhq
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- Vartan's EB Submod Compilation Pack
- Asia ton Barbaron (Armenian linguistics)
- EB:NOM (Armenian linguistics/history)
- Dominion of the Sword (Armenian linguistics/history, videographer)
Keravnos, can you delete some PM's? Your box is full.
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"To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a desert and call it peace." -CalgacusOriginally Posted by skullheadhq
Will do.
Done.
Last edited by keravnos; 10-10-2010 at 18:54.
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Just a random word of congrats on the work done so far and for the rest of the developpment of the mod. Personally i'm very curious to see what do you have in your sleeve for SPQR, namely after the establishment of the Empire, around 20 BC. With new scripts and reforms for the romans, playing as SPQR in Novus Ordo Mundi may be an unique experience.
Cheers!
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So guys, what's our next preview?
Actually it's determined... But i won't reveal it yet... It's a surprise... If people will ask nicely then they may see it soon... If not... Wel... :D
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Please?
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- Asia ton Barbaron (Armenian linguistics)
- EB:NOM (Armenian linguistics/history)
- Dominion of the Sword (Armenian linguistics/history, videographer)
Well, Tanit, if you ever feel like it to help us out in other departments, you would be more then welcome.
All I can say thus far about the preview is that it's going to be waaaaaaay better then the Ptolemaic one... Even the faction is much stronger at this point in time
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