Black woman single cos the black men are in jail - would you marry outside your race?

[Strike For The South]

I don't agree with the undercurrent of the article, which essentially follows the oft-repeated theme of blaming every one and every thing for black society's problems except for black people. The simplest way to help the black family would be for fewer black men to commit criminal offences. Oh, and to start acting like men, not dogs.

I believe PJ is using "dogs" here in its metaphorical sense, i.e. behaving in a self-serving manner and not setting aside personal interest in favor of family and committment. As such, it is not intended as a racist slur, but is a behavioral critique. SF

I live in a majority black city, and I must say that I am not at all impressed with American "black" culture as I have experienced it. As I believe Sasaki mentioned, though, it is about culture - not race. Many blacks do not live their lives in the way the article describes.

As for the OP's question... probably not.

I feel sorry for you, not only do you live in hillbilly land you have to endure the crap they try to pass off as BBQ.

As per the original question I certianly find women of all races attractive and have certianly had much in common with said women, however as per my agreement with grandfather, I will end up marrying a "southern belle from plantation country who has been spoiled rotten by her daddy" which will become a sexless marrige about two weeks after the honeymoon. But hey I'll probably end up screwing my secratary and depending where I end she'll probably be black


If I were to tell you my real choice though it would be a cajun from the bayou. 1. Because that accent drives me nuts and 2. Because she'll be able to cook cajun food and that is my favorite kind.

She'll be catholic, does that count?

[Megas Methuselah]

would you marry outside your race?

Hell no, never. And I seem to attract native girls a lot more easily than others; I don't mind.

By the way, why are black men so likely to be in jail? Don't you think something is wrong with that? What the heck did you guys do to them?

Oh wait, here we go:

The simplest way to help the black family would be for fewer black men to commit criminal offences. Oh, and to start acting like men, not dogs.

Great, man, good for you. How?

[Banquo's Ghost]

There seems to be a general assumption that attraction is the main requisite for marriage. This may be, but is fraught with danger, in that marriage is a long term commitment and other attributes, less affected by the passage of time, are a more important consideration.

No one has touched on the issue of social pressure (although Strike did note his grandfather's preference ). In my world, which is implicitly racist, peer group expectations of marriage are very clearly set. Class used to be the absolute barrier (which made race a minor issue unlikely to be confronted) but race is most certainly now a major disqualifying attribute for all but the bravest or most eccentric. Whilst my sub-set is somewhat mediaevalist in its expectation, I think a similar attitude can be found in a number of cultural groups.

Being a bit of a traditionalist in family matters, I followed convention and expectations for my marriage, although outside my "normal" group but within my class (slightly above, in truth) and race. Recognising my own innate racism in this and other choices, I was simply not prepared to challenge existing boundaries and by so doing, inflict (a horrid word, but accurate in describing my feelings on the matter) a hereditary millstone around the necks of my descendants. Lady Ghost is rather attractive, but possesses much finer and lasting qualities that make her a perfect spouse in my world - and more important, enables her to feel happy in that world, and I in hers.

Marrying outside one's race and culture can be fraught with extra issues. These can often make the marriage strong and resilient, but only if properly recognised beforehand, I feel. As I noted, marriage is not the same as simple attraction or a dalliance based thereupon.

[Furunculus]

I feel sorry for you, not only do you live in hillbilly land you have to endure the crap they try to pass off as BBQ.

As per the original question I certianly find women of all races attractive and have certianly had much in common with said women, however as per my agreement with grandfather, I will end up marrying a "southern belle from plantation country who has been spoiled rotten by her daddy" which will become a sexless marrige about two weeks after the honeymoon. But hey I'll probably end up screwing my secratary and depending where I end she'll probably be black


If I were to tell you my real choice though it would be a cajun from the bayou. 1. Because that accent drives me nuts and 2. Because she'll be able to cook cajun food and that is my favorite kind.

She'll be catholic, does that count?

Strike, are you REALLY that sensitive, i mean REALLY, are you?

Complaining over what PJ said is ridiculous, this is something of a sensitive topic but your PC hair-trigger will doing nothing but help to derail it.

Chill out d00d!

[PanzerJaeger]

I feel sorry for you, not only do you live in hillbilly land you have to endure the crap they try to pass off as BBQ.

Me too, I hate Memphis. Perennially in America's top 5 most dangerous cities and America's top 5 unhappiest cities! Don't know where you're getting your information about BBQ though. That's one thing the locals do very right.

Great, man, good for you. How?

I don't think I really need to explain how not to commit crimes and how to treat women with respect, do I? Common sense stuff, here.

Strike, are you REALLY that sensitive, i mean REALLY, are you?

Complaining over what PJ said is ridiculous, this is something of a sensitive topic but your PC hair-trigger will doing nothing but help to derail it.

Chill out d00d!

I didn't take his post as a complaint against mine - just a friendly jab at the city I live in.

[Furunculus]

There seems to be a general assumption that attraction is the main requisite for marriage. This may be, but is fraught with danger, in that marriage is a long term commitment and other attributes, less affected by the passage of time, are a more important consideration.

No one has touched on the issue of social pressure (although Strike did note his grandfather's preference ). In my world, which is implicitly racist, peer group expectations of marriage are very clearly set. Class used to be the absolute barrier (which made race a minor issue unlikely to be confronted) but race is most certainly now a major disqualifying attribute for all but the bravest or most eccentric. Whilst my sub-set is somewhat mediaevalist in its expectation, I think a similar attitude can be found in a number of cultural groups.

Being a bit of a traditionalist in family matters, I followed convention and expectations for my marriage, although outside my "normal" group but within my class (slightly above, in truth) and race. Recognising my own innate racism in this and other choices, I was simply not prepared to challenge existing boundaries and by so doing, inflict (a horrid word, but accurate in describing my feelings on the matter) a hereditary millstone around the necks of my descendants. Lady Ghost is rather attractive, but possesses much finer and lasting qualities that make her a perfect spouse in my world - and more important, enables her to feel happy in that world, and I in hers.

Marrying outside one's race and culture can be fraught with extra issues. These can often make the marriage strong and resilient, but only if properly recognised beforehand, I feel. As I noted, marriage is not the same as simple attraction or a dalliance based thereupon.

the problem with the use of the word "marry" is the same problem as had with the simplicity of the first "yes" option; a simple poll does not provide enough depth to describe the totality of the question in hand.

Marry does not necessarily mean marriage, what it intends to imply is that you would be up for a greater relationship commitment than would be the case with a holiday-fling, and one that will involve your family and peer group.

Exotic does not necessarily mean you have a full blown fetish for every ethnic appearance that is extremely different from ones own, what it intends is to stand apart from the next "yes" option where there is residual bias even if it is not an overriding factor.

[Fragony]

Not the more exotic the better but there are gorgeous women to be found in any race, I wouldn't mind

[The Stranger]

ble...

[HoreTore]

I won't marry, ever.

So this question doesn't really apply to me...

EDIT: No strike that, I might get married. But only a pro-bono marriage, if someone needs residence in western europe I'm available... Just to let you know...

[InsaneApache]

I won't marry, ever.

So this question doesn't really apply to me...

Civil partnership perhaps?

[HoreTore]

Civil partnership perhaps?

Hah!

Well I know you're very fond of me IA, but I'm sorry, our relationship will never reach that level.... I don't swing that way sorry, it's nothing to do with you, I'm sure you're great fellah and everything!!

[Major Robert Dump]

I can't link to it here, and don't have time to read this whole thread, but:

The CDC, like 1 month ago, released some numbers that said 48% of black females have genital herpes. This may have something to do with the single-ness as well.

the numbers for the black men were much lower, very much in line with the rest of the population. The number for the females seemed so high, though I thought it was a misprint. so far, I am not aware of the CDC changing their results or saying it was a mistake

[Husar]

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Marrying outside one's race and culture can be fraught with extra issues. These can often make the marriage strong and resilient, but only if properly recognised beforehand, I feel. As I noted, marriage is not the same as simple attraction or a dalliance based thereupon.

But isn't attraction or attractiveness just the cumulation of all these factors? You indirectly said yourself that the class and the qualities of your wife made her more attractive to you than others that may have been more appealing to the eye or so.
That's not to say you don't have a point there, with the high divorce rates nowadays, one would have to think a lot of people may simply set the wrong priorities.

[Furunculus]

I won't marry, ever.

So this question doesn't really apply to me...

EDIT: No strike that, I might get married. But only a pro-bono marriage, if someone needs residence in western europe I'm available... Just to let you know...

please refer to:

the problem with the use of the word "marry" is the same problem as had with the simplicity of the first "yes" option; a simple poll does not provide enough depth to describe the totality of the question in hand.

Marry does not necessarily mean marriage, what it intends to imply is that you would be up for a greater relationship commitment than would be the case with a holiday-fling, and one that will involve your family and peer group.

Exotic does not necessarily mean you have a full blown fetish for every ethnic appearance that is extremely different from ones own, what it intends is to stand apart from the next "yes" option where there is residual bias even if it is not an overriding factor.

[HoreTore]

please refer to:

Another problem though; humans are so genetically similar, that trying to break us into different races is impossible, there is just one human race, the others(neanderthals) died out a long time ao. It's quite possible to divide us into different ethnicities though...

Anyway, the answer is yes. Why I should have to care about someones skin colour is beyond me, really. As long as there's no fluff on the muff... But a religious woman would be impossible.

[Furunculus]

cool, answer noted, thanks.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Another problem though; humans are so genetically similar, that trying to break us into different races is impossible, there is just one human race, the others(neanderthals) died out a long time ao. It's quite possible to divide us into different ethnicities though...

Anyway, the answer is yes. Why I should have to care about someones skin colour is beyond me, really. As long as there's no fluff on the muff... But a religious woman would be impossible.

I agree whole-heartedly with paragraph one.

Regarding paragraph two, I concur on skin-color, I generally concur on the follicle-cropping (though hirsuite is not that much of a negative to me), but disagree on the last point.

I would also note that you aren't including your possible reaction to "non-standard" religions. Perhaps a self-claimed priestess of Epona who insists on being "ridden" as part of her devotions or a devote of Ishtar. It takes all kinds.

[HoreTore]

I agree whole-heartedly with paragraph one.

Regarding paragraph two, I concur on skin-color, I generally concur on the follicle-cropping (though hirsuite is not that much of a negative to me), but disagree on the last point.

I would also note that you aren't including your possible reaction to "non-standard" religions. Perhaps a self-claimed priestess of Epona who insists on being "ridden" as part of her devotions or a devote of Ishtar. It takes all kinds.

Different skin colour is no problem; a different view of the world is. I don't see how I can be in a long-term relationship with someone who doesn't share my morals and values, or at least is somewhere close to mine. And religious people don't share my world-view, my morals or my values... But a -friend with a religious devotion to freaky sex? Bring it on!

[The Stranger]

for me what usually yields the most stunning results is mixing. latina + african = brazilian = yummie!!!

[Fragony]

Different skin colour is no problem; a different view of the world is. I don't see how I can be in a long-term relationship with someone who doesn't share my morals and values, or at least is somewhere close to mine. And religious people don't share my world-view, my morals or my values... But a -friend with a religious devotion to freaky sex? Bring it on!

^ that. There is something you should know about devout christan chicks though, really

[drone]

Don't the psychologists say we (men) essentially want to marry our mothers? That may play into the decision making process when choosing a mate.

[Husar]

I love my mom, but no, thanks.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

^ that. There is something you should know about devout christan chicks though, really

Heh heh, that only works in about 50% of cases, they can swing one of two ways (but generally don't swing both ways).

[HoreTore]

^ that. There is something you should know about devout christan chicks though, really

My 19-year old niece is currently a missionary in Nepal.

The less I know the better...........

[Strike For The South]

Strike, are you REALLY that sensitive, i mean REALLY, are you?
!

What are you talking about? I don't care what PJ said about marrige.

Me too, I hate Memphis. Perennially in America's top 5 most dangerous cities and America's top 5 unhappiest cities! Don't know where you're getting your information about BBQ though. That's one thing the locals do very right. :

I may not care how you feel about interacial marrige but just know BBQ is serious bidness and memphis is at best faux KC.

[caravel]

Have married "outside" my race already (over 5 years ago to be precise). The lovely 'Mrs Asai' is of South American origin.

[Beskar]

Don't the psychologists say we (men) essentially want to marry our mothers? That may play into the decision making process when choosing a mate.

Thank you for the Psychological broadcast from 1905.

[Strike For The South]

Thank you for the Psychological broadcast from 1905.

I change my vote, I want to marry Beskar. Becasue he's fiesty and I like that.

[drone]

Thank you for the Psychological broadcast from 1905.

No problem. Do you smoke cigars?

[Kadagar_AV]

I am with Rhyfelwyr on this one... *gasp*

I dont mind having an asian chick (or whatever) as a one night stand, or as a sex partner... However, when it comes to having children I would like something looking remotely close to me.

I mean, I do endorse FLK as they make the world more rich, it's just not in ME to have those childs.

I can get (very much) turned on by asian women or south american women... I have never yet found a black woman who turns me on though. But still if I get turned on, I would prefer to have little ones with someone from my own race.