SB 1070 Or The Arizona Immigration Bill

[Strike For The South]

Ok Gentleman what's the vedict?

Once again Arizona misses the point and decides to attack the people rather than the institutions.

It requires police officers, “when practicable,” to detain people they reasonably suspect are in the country without authorization and to verify their status with federal officials, unless doing so would hinder an investigation or emergency medical treatment.

It also makes it a state crime — a misdemeanor — to not carry immigration papers. In addition, it allows people to sue local government or agencies if they believe federal or state immigration law is not being enforced.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/us...s/24immig.html


How will that be enforced? I DONT HAVE THESE PAPERS WHERE DO I GET THESE PAPERS.

Right now I'm leaning toward draconian law sprung by a nice new surge of nativism but Im willing to have my mind changed/

[Lemur]

Does this mean everybody's got to start carrying around their birth certificates?

[Strike For The South]

Does this mean everybody's got to start carrying around their birth certificates?

IDK, My parents nor my grandparents have these things.....Does this mean I have to go back to Europe?

[drone]

While police demands of documents are common on subways, highways and in public places in some countries, including France, Arizona is the first state to demand that immigrants meet federal requirements to carry identity documents legitimizing their presence on American soil.

I think Arizona is just tired of the Feds not enforcing the law. Much of the bill echoes current federal legislation, except Arizona cannot deport illegals. So they will hand them over to the INS when they find them, and from the sounds of it, INS is not going to accept them. Carrying papers is already required.

[Centurion1]

i hate illegal immigration such a sticky topic. im not sure how you condone something with ILLEGAL in its name, dont know if this is the way to go about it though.

[Crazed Rabbit]

It came about because the Feds are hardly doing anything.

However, having police question people they suspect may be immigrants is a surefire way for discrimination and civil rights abuse.

CR

[Xiahou]

I think Arizona is just tired of the Feds not enforcing the law. Much of the bill echoes current federal legislation, except Arizona cannot deport illegals. So they will hand them over to the INS when they find them, and from the sounds of it, INS is not going to accept them. Carrying papers is already required.

I think that's worth reiterating.
Carrying papers is already required.
As drone points out, much of this is already federal law- it's just mandating that state law enforcement enforces the law since the federal government seems unwilling or unable to do so.

As it was presented, there were some ominous sounding provisions in the bill- but once you look past the overheated rhetoric, it doesn't really seem to bad. I say let it play out.

[Don Corleone]

Nothing in the bill warrants the "Nazi" "eugenic" and other vitrolic adjectives I've heard used here. But for the record, I agree with Strike: Cure the ill, not the symptom.

I'm in a new phase of political analysis these days. I shed my idealism very late in life (I'll be 40 sometime soon, and I've come to this unveiling in the past year). I finally accepted that all elected officials are salesman, and they frequently change product lines. This whole debate is about 1) Jon Kyl driving wedge issues in Arizona and 2) Harry Reid needs to get reelected. You have two guys vying for an office, and not necessarily the same one, you have "an issue". That's it. No principles, no real ideology. Just simple opportunism and reelection politics.

Politics in America today is best described by the Bard:

........ it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

[Subotan]

IDK, My parents nor my grandparents have these things.....Does this mean I have to go back to Europe?

Does this mean if I ever visit Phoenix, that I'll get deported to Mexico?

[drone]

Does this mean if I ever visit Phoenix, that I'll get deported to Mexico?

Depends on your accent. No, the State of Arizona cannot deport anyone.

This is currently the best documentary on how the Feds deal with illegals.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

IDK, My parents nor my grandparents have these things.....Does this mean I have to go back to Europe?

Well, you could carry your passport instead.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Well, you could carry your passport instead.

Not to fear. Impending non-amnesty amnesty legislation at the federal level will take care of this.

[Louis VI the Fat]

One Arizona congressman called for businesses to boycott his own state, and a Catholic cardinal said the state may be encouraging "German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques" as pushback against Arizona's proposed crackdown on illegal immigrants went into high gear Tuesday.

How very irresponsible. They are testing the boundaries of what is still democratic. Shameless and dangerous. Sheer sedition. Treason.

[Strike For The South]

Good for Arizona. Too bad they can't dump them back over the border where they belong. How far we've sunk when both political parties are in paralysis out of fear of the Mexicans....

These people have no real understanding of how a civil society functions and it shows back home. Mexico can proudly boast of being the only non-first world nation in North America. They’ll become nothing more than Democratic block voters if they are given amnesty, and we already have one minority that specializes in that.

Fear of the Mexicans? No it's more like taking a sledgehammer to a broken arm.

We need to attack the buisness that hire illegals and stop giving them social services that they don't pay into. Frankly I really don't care if they are here when they can't get a job and can't suck of the system. I guran got dang tee you they will leave in droves.

How this law will not alienate Arizonas sizeable latino pop is beyond me. ESP when it lends itself so eaisly to discrimination. Either check everyones papers or no ones papers

Well, you could carry your passport instead.

I'm an American, I don't have one.

The only country worth visiting was Mexico and up until a little while ago you didn't need a passport for that.

Now I'm stuck paying market price for tequlia, perscription drugs, and donkey shows.

[The Stranger]

sounds alot like the ID-duty in europe where you must carry at all times your ID papers.

[Kadagar_AV]

[About passports]

I'm an American, I don't have one.

The only country worth visiting was Mexico and up until a little while ago you didn't need a passport for that.

Now I'm stuck paying market price for tequlia, perscription drugs, and donkey shows.

Would be fun if it wasnt so true. The % of americans having visited another country is... Diminutive to say the least.


About the Arizona immigration bill... I find it logical.

I think we have the same rule in Sweden. Of course, if you are white you wont be asked by the police to show your papers. And if you speak an OK swedish you wont either.

Basicly, this is just a tool to make it easier for the police to catch the REAL illegal immigrants... If legal immigrants have to have some paper with them, who cares? They choose to immigrate! If they dont like it, go back.

I do not quite understand the backlash... You think the police will randomly hold up some white mother of 3, ask for her papers, and if she cant show them they will send her to mexico? Or what?