Help needed with Hayasdan Orontid Reforms

[kdrakak]

Hello everyone

This is my first post so let me start by congratulating everyone involved with the EB mod on a wonderful job and complementing them on their skills. This is truly a very enjoyable game and seeing the amount of work put in I am stunned. I have been an enthusiastic player of the Total War series for many years now and after empire ( ) I thought it was sort of over.... Then I read a complaint post for empire mentioning EB as an example of what can be achieved through the community's contribution. So I thought I'd give it a shot. And I did. And now can't wait for EB 2 whenever it comes.

As for the question at hand, I am having trouble with the Hayasdan Orotnid Reforms. I have completed the reforms at Persepolis and Susa. But I cannot get passed "The conqueror comes..." building, in Seleykeia, Babylon and Arbela, which is to say that as soon as the building is completed I do not get the subjugation available marker in the afore mentioned cities. I have read a relative previous post regarding the Katoikiai built by the Seleykids but that did not help.
Details on this campaign, even though i do not know whether they are relevant to the running of the reforms script: Victory Conditions have been met, year is 230, capital is Karkathiokerta and the March of Times has occured. Campaign difficulty is very hard and battles are at medium or normal (can't remember what it's called).

Any help or ever mere suggestions are welcome...
Thanx in advance and keep up the good work.

[ziegenpeter]

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Had the same problem ;)

[Nyz]

First, Arbela, Babylon, Ekbatana, Charax and Seleukeia must have type III gov. If there are Klerouchiai ("land for military settler") in those cities, destroy it. Then, build Royal Administration. Then you can build Ashxarakalu Galise.... (the conquerer comes...).

I hope I helped you out and I wish you luck with your mighty Hai empire!

[kdrakak]

@Intifadanyz: They do have type III gov. I did destroy the Klerouchiai where they were present and was able to build Royal Administration and then "the conqueror comes". But that's as far as it goes. The Subjugation available marker should have appeared now (it did when i was reforming Persepolis and Suza) in order for me to destroy the Type III gov building and set up a Type II gov. Also the tier 2W includes only 4 of the 5 cities you mention, unless i have missed out on some change. But thank you very much for your input...
It did help and here is how: "A script will now check a set of conditions in other provinces (see map below), if the conditions return true then after a couple of turns it will create the Expansion Precursor building in the province, which will allow the construction of a Type II Government."
I reran through the reforms pdf and read the quoted text above.
So a) I guess it requires some extra turns regardless of how fast it came about for Persepolis and Suza and
b) I need to clarify whether or not my building the "Royal administration" and "The conqueror comes" buildings in Arbela (Tier 3W) has anything to do with the issue.
If someone could clarify and I'd be very thankful. Thanx again for the input Intifadanyz

[kdrakak]

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Had the same problem ;)

@Ziegenpeter:

Having thoroughly read the thread you posted i found people mentioning that "the conqueror comes" building must be built in all provinces of a tier before the subjugation available marker appears and the reform can continue with type II gov. barracks and "Brings law and order". This however is not mentioned in the reforms guide. Can anyone verify this? As it happens I will have "the conqueror comes" in Charax and ekbatana (done in Seleykeia and Babylon) so i'll know then, but it would be nice if someone could verify beforehand that this is the issue. As for the other proposal concerning space for the marker to appear it might be so in Seleykeia in my campaign but not in babylon.... i would have seen it.

Thank you very much for taking the time to post

[Nyz]

a) Sorry my bad....Arbela is in tier 3W.

b) The order: Type 3 gov (in all cities in that tier) ---> royal administration ---> The conqueror come... ----> subjugation marker should appear, destroy type 3 gov, build type 2 gov ----> tribal conscription ----> tribal barrack ----> town barrack and stable ----> ...bring peace and order

[kdrakak]

ok guys. thanx for everyone's help. there was actually no problem. The only "inconsistency", if one could call it that, is that all provinces must complete "the conqueror comes..." before any of them can be further reformed. I think it had better been explicitly mentioned in the reform guide. Other than that, it's all good :-)

[vartan]

ok guys. thanx for everyone's help. there was actually no problem. The only "inconsistency", if one could call it that, is that all provinces must complete "the conqueror comes..." before any of them can be further reformed. I think it had better been explicitly mentioned in the reform guide. Other than that, it's all good :-)

Welcome. I hope you thoroughly enjoy your Hai campaign. I know I did, over and over and over again. The reforms can indeed be frustrating the first time around. I was told once that Armenians get their reforms sooner than foreigners. I don't think there's any foundation to that claim. In any case, native or foreign, it's always fun to recreate the Achaemenid Empire. Enjoy!