Help needed with Hayasdan Orontid Reforms

**kdrakak** · 05-02-2010, 10:08

Originally Posted by ziegenpeter

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...ion&highlight=

Had the same problem ;)

@Ziegenpeter:

Having thoroughly read the thread you posted i found people mentioning that "the conqueror comes" building must be built in all provinces of a tier before the subjugation available marker appears and the reform can continue with type II gov. barracks and "Brings law and order". This however is not mentioned in the reforms guide. Can anyone verify this? As it happens I will have "the conqueror comes" in Charax and ekbatana (done in Seleykeia and Babylon) so i'll know then, but it would be nice if someone could verify beforehand that this is the issue. As for the other proposal concerning space for the marker to appear it might be so in Seleykeia in my campaign but not in babylon.... i would have seen it.

Thank you very much for taking the time to post

**Nyz** · 05-02-2010, 16:45

a) Sorry my bad....Arbela is in tier 3W.

b) The order: Type 3 gov (in all cities in that tier) ---> royal administration ---> The conqueror come... ----> subjugation marker should appear, destroy type 3 gov, build type 2 gov ----> tribal conscription ----> tribal barrack ----> town barrack and stable ----> ...bring peace and order

**kdrakak** · 05-05-2010, 00:04

ok guys. thanx for everyone's help. there was actually no problem. The only "inconsistency", if one could call it that, is that all provinces must complete "the conqueror comes..." before any of them can be further reformed. I think it had better been explicitly mentioned in the reform guide. Other than that, it's all good :-)

**vartan** · 05-05-2010, 06:00

Originally Posted by kdrakak

ok guys. thanx for everyone's help. there was actually no problem. The only "inconsistency", if one could call it that, is that all provinces must complete "the conqueror comes..." before any of them can be further reformed. I think it had better been explicitly mentioned in the reform guide. Other than that, it's all good :-)

Welcome. I hope you thoroughly enjoy your Hai campaign. I know I did, over and over and over again. The reforms can indeed be frustrating the first time around. I was told once that Armenians get their reforms sooner than foreigners. I don't think there's any foundation to that claim. In any case, native or foreign, it's always fun to recreate the Achaemenid Empire. Enjoy!

**kdrakak** · 05-05-2010, 10:03

Yes I am enjoying it very much. I rarely continue playing after victory. In most cases I do not see much point in doing so. Perhaps if a historically important city is located near by I might go on for a few more turn till it is conquered too, but the Hai campaign is really a step beyond.

**vartan** · 05-05-2010, 23:18

Originally Posted by kdrakak

Yes I am enjoying it very much. I rarely continue playing after victory. In most cases I do not see much point in doing so. Perhaps if a historically important city is located near by I might go on for a few more turn till it is conquered too, but the Hai campaign is really a step beyond.

Then you must not know about the true intentions of a proper Hai campaign. A proper Hai campaign, if you will, requires a diligent Arkah, one willing to go beyond expectations. Then again, it is only expected of the Arkah to conquer the world. Don't do the Hai an injustice. Don't stop. Keep going. Conquer the known world.

**kdrakak** · 05-06-2010, 14:26

Really? Why would I conquer all? There so many factions I am looking forward to lead in the future. Is there some surprise other than the type I gov in Persepolis and Suza I read about?
I am considering playing all the way to 172 to see the Yuezhi but I think that's where 'll draw the line. i've already sort of decided not to destroy the Koinon (it would require of me to take ambrakia and epidamnos which would probably rebel soon and drag me into a war with my friendly Epeirote neighbors allied to the Romani). I like peace at the border which is why I intend to crush Bactria all the way to india if i have to, for bribing 3 of my border cities to the east just as i was making ready to complete vixtory conditions. I think now the 've incorporated a word for Hai into their language as a synonym for divine wrath!!! (nice RPB babbling dont' you think?)

On an other note, and please tell me if I should open a new thread for this one. What's the difference between a kontos charge and one with maces (alt + right click) by Armenian kataphracts for example. Does one have effect against armour while the other doesn't? and if so which? what's the point of having a non-effective against armour attack? In general could someone elabaorate on this?