I pretty much second bondovic: Swiss Pikemen and SAP are excellent in most melee situations, but they're definitely vulnerable to missiles. Just about anything heavier than regular archers will shred them to bits.
Re: Swiss Pikemen
I pretty much second bondovic: Swiss Pikemen and SAP are excellent in most melee situations, but they're definitely vulnerable to missiles. Just about anything heavier than regular archers will shred them to bits.
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Re: Swiss Pikemen
Hi
Personally I think pikes generally are too expensive - and too much bother - for what you get, taking into account their build requirements. Plus, you get so little frontage out of them if you're looking to maximise their additional ranks bonus.
And yeah, they're terribly vulnerable to missiles, and really unwiedly: as soon as they have to change facing or re-order their ranks they (which is to say you) are in trouble.
I think in most situations I'd rather have Chiv Sargeants with some armour and morale upgrades.
That said, Swiss Armoured Pikemen are one of the truely scary units to encounter in the AI's battle deployment roster, 'cos you know that, other things being equal, if they actually manage to engage your main battleline they're going to do serious damage. I can vividly recall a rebellion/reappearance consisting of several stacks largely composed of SAPs and Swiss Halbs. That one took several, very attritional, years to put down.
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Victor
Re: Swiss Pikemen
SAPs backed with Swiss Halbies are pretty tough to put down, especially on defense. It's a shame the build restrictions are so high on the Swiss APs, while the Swiss start Late with the County Militia, getting the Master Armourer is nigh impossible. They have to make do with the royal units (which of course makes the SAP unit even tougher).
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Re: Swiss Pikemen
They pretty good, I love using them, but they get eaten for dinner by heavy archers, so make sure you don't send them out on a sucide mission with a lot of enemy archers oppsoing them.
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Deadly.Perfect for me. Each time I play as the Byzantines Switzerland is a destination to my expansion. I remember Swiss Armoured Pikes to have lost two men in a head clash with Chivalric Knights. Combined with the S halberdiers (and the Byzantines archers (arrows!) and cavalry and the Byz inf and Spears for attracting enemy fire), these are unbeatable. Give them more credit, please!
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Re: Swiss Pikemen
Too bad they only appear late. By that time I almost conquered the whole world...
Late era sounds good though.
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Re: Swiss Pikemen
I remember I "discovered" an infantry triangle when I played MTW 5-6 years ago. There are SAP, JHI and Gothik FK. IMO, three best infantries. Every one loses from one and wins another, but I can't remember whether it's GFK or JHI that obliterate SAP. I do consider SAP the best infantry, and they are pretty cool with that number of 96 :D
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