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    I have not participated in this thread as we just had our own "situation" in the North Sea.

    Gullfaks C is the rig and one of her wells got unstable and spewed out Mud (well counterweight liquid). The BOPs (blow out preventers - yes we have several for each well) took care of the situation and temporarily "plugged" the well. It is now under control and has two cemented plugs, one deep in the well and one a bit higher. Last Sunday the string (pipe string) was cut and the second cement plug was installed Monday.
    The cement will need harden sufficiently (full hardening process takes 28 days) before making a final analysis and declare the well safe.

    I am involved with the maintenance of the equipment (owned by Statoil) used by drilling contractors on 6 oil platforms in the North Sea.

    The big oil companies usually don't have their own drilling crews. They are contracted and the contractors have names like KCADeutag, SeaWell, Odfjell drilling etc... Most of them are local to the area we operate in.

    The PTIL (governmental petroleum supervision agency) discovered discrepancies regarding maintenance routines on drilling equipment owned by Statoil but operated by drilling contractors and charged Statoil with the responsibility to fix it.
    I am in the middle of a two year long project taking drilling into the Statoil system. I could tell a few horror stories but will refrain from doing so.

    It is imperative that drilling equipment is sufficiently maintained. A BOP whether it is a 200 ton monster or smaller versions of it, needs a 5 year certification. It is dismantled from the rig and sent ashore every 5 years. It is probably the most expensive piece of equipment onboard an oilrig and the recertification cost a buck load.
    It is very tempting to let the BOP run on overtime considering the expenses of stopping the drilling, get the thing off the rig, sent into shore and replaced with a spare BOP.
    We have however in place a system where PTIL watchdogs can close the entire platform down if it operates with any equipment that has certification requirements and the recertification is overdue. But even so, I have discovered equipment that somehow has slipped through controls. Finding no previous recorded maintenance on critical equipment is rather disturbing.

    I haven’t checked the APOS for our operations in the gulf, but I suspect there are governmental systems in place to oversee the oil operations in the US EEZ and make sure they operate according to procedures.
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    I haven’t checked the APOS for our operations in the gulf, but I suspect there are governmental systems in place to oversee the oil operations in the US EEZ and make sure they operate according to procedures.
    US government systems (MMS)?
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    Sigurd:

    Sea Depth of wellheads? Any other insights into BP's efforts in the Gulf? I'm well aware you bring a different knowledge base to this -- and a much better one -- than I can get in an "in-depth" piece on MSNBC.
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    As to the floated idea of backup/relief wells being mandatory for each (new) site: wouldn't that kind of be counter-productive? I imagine that the only reason the wells work (at first) is because of pressure from the oil/gas, so drilling relief wells would cut such pressure by more than half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios View Post
    As to the floated idea of backup/relief wells being mandatory for each (new) site: wouldn't that kind of be counter-productive? I imagine that the only reason the wells work (at first) is because of pressure from the oil/gas, so drilling relief wells would cut such pressure by more than half.
    You don't drill the last bit, IIRC :)

    You just have it on stand-by in case of, so it doesn't take months to drill, but rather days.
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    Ah must've missed the crucial bit. The light is firmly switched on now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Sigurd:

    Sea Depth of wellheads? Any other insights into BP's efforts in the Gulf? I'm well aware you bring a different knowledge base to this -- and a much better one -- than I can get in an "in-depth" piece on MSNBC.
    The Sea depth of our well heads are not that great. We have done exploring wells into deep sea, but I can't think of any well heads in production below 700 feet. There is yet much oil and gas in the fairly shallow North Sea for us to seek deeper and more difficult locations.

    Gullfaks C is a concrete pillars platform and sits on the sea bottom at 711 feet (the structure is 1250 feet tall from bottom to the top of the drilling tower) below sea surface.

    Regarding the situation with BP in the Gulf...
    Statoil has muzzled its experts and has taken a "don't want to participate in the debate" stand on this issue. Statoil has two deep sea wells in the gulf and are currently drilling one well 6666 feet below sea level (Tucker).

    Drilling on such depths requires floaters. And floaters drill wells which has little gas. The reason for this is the fact that gas leakage into the sea removes the ability of the water to carry the floater (A gas blowout under water surface will swallow the floater).
    The deep water reservoirs in the Mexico Gulf is supposed to have very scant amounts of gas. The Deepwater Horizon well was throwing out surprisingly high amounts of gas in the leakage.

    I am working with IT systems and not with actual drilling. I can't give an expert commentary on the situation in the Gulf and people are not discussing it openly at the local water holes.
    There are a few complaints about the licences international companies get in the Gulf. They seem to be all in challenging areas and requires a relatively high technological capability to operate.
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    Sigurd:

    My thanks. That does help to explain things for me.
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    Wot, no Brit bashing here? How surprising, especially on a day when this happens:

    Cameron steps into fray to defend BP

    BP shares rallied on Friday after David Cameron, the British prime minister, leapt to the defence of the embattled oil group, emphasising the “economic value” it brings to the UK and US, in a clear signal of British concerns over the rhetoric about the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alh_p View Post
    Wot, no Brit bashing here? How surprising, especially on a day when this happens:

    Cameron steps into fray to defend BP

    BP shares rallied on Friday after David Cameron, the British prime minister, leapt to the defence of the embattled oil group, emphasising the “economic value” it brings to the UK and US, in a clear signal of British concerns over the rhetoric about the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.


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    Well, Obama said he wanted to stop the contractual agreement involving BP, as in, British Pensioners, by stopping Beyond-Petroleums dividends.

    He also called it British Petroleum, when 2/3rd's of its staff are American, even the board of the directors, trying to sweep up an anti-British mood to look though and gain support for the November elections and other such popularist American rabble nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    He also called it British Petroleum, when 2/3rd's of its staff are American, even the board of the directors, trying to sweep up an anti-British mood to look though and gain support for the November elections and other such popularist American rabble nonsense.
    Now you're getting it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    I, for one, applaud Britain for showing the uppity natives what exploitation and Empire are all about.
    Colonists, not natives. You are going to send Megas into a fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Well, Obama said he wanted to stop the contractual agreement involving BP, as in, British Pensioners, by stopping Beyond-Petroleums dividends.

    He also called it British Petroleum, when 2/3rd's of its staff are American, even the board of the directors, trying to sweep up an anti-British mood to look though and gain support for the November elections and other such popularist American rabble nonsense.
    Oh, not like Obama's rhetoric so much any more now that you're on the receiving end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Oh, not like Obama's rhetoric so much any more now that you're on the receiving end?

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    You mean, using the same rhetoric Bush used?

    Plus, your point is invalid as it assumes I loved his rhetoric when I haven't, I only said it is a positive improvement over Bush in the past.
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    How is it "rhetoric" to refer to BP as British Petroleum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Oh, not like Obama's rhetoric so much any more now that you're on the receiving end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan View Post
    How is it "rhetoric" to refer to BP as British Petroleum?
    They changed their name, officially, to just 'BP' a while back.

    You mean, using the same rhetoric Bush used?
    Well that's got nothing to do with anything.

    Plus, your point is invalid as it assumes I loved his rhetoric when I haven't, I only said it is a positive improvement over Bush in the past.
    No, I said 'liked', not loved. And it was not intended as serious debate.

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    Generally yes.

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    Colonists, not natives. You are going to send Megas into a fit.
    Whatever, it's not like the exploitation cares very much who is being exploited as long as it got some good ROI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    Well that's got nothing to do with anything.
    Much like your snippy backhanded 'contribution' which was inaccurate in the first place?

    No, I said 'liked', not loved. And it was not intended as serious debate.
    I could call you out on this, but I will just say you ill-advisely stated it, simply because I have a preference for Democrat over Republican in the two-party state or think he is currently doing a better job than Bush jr did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    I could call you out on this, but I will just say you ill-advisely stated it, simply because I have a preference for Democrat over Republican in the two-party state or think he is currently doing a better job than Bush jr did.
    Actually, to be fair to you Beskar, you've always struck me as one of those Euros who prefer Obama to Bush and the American Right, while at the same time classifying Obama as a Moderate or Moderate-Conservative by your own standards/goals.

    Now, on to the other hat:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Actually, to be fair to you Beskar, you've always struck me as one of those Euros who prefer Obama to Bush and the American Right, while at the same time classifying Obama as a Moderate or Moderate-Conservative by your own standards/goals.
    I can't argue with that, it seems pretty accurate to a tee.

    I think I once spoke to Lemur about it, and we joked that Maggie Thatcher was classed as a Socialist by American standards.

    If you two simply must continue to snipe at one another, take it to PM please.



    That reminds me actually, I am not sure if there is a way for the American viewers to see it, but Obama's remarks were brought up on Question Time.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...me_10_06_2010/

    What is also interesting, Ideological wise, I would describe Katie Hopkins as having similar views to Crazed Rabbit (Very Pro-Privatisation and Free-Market). Unfortunately, if I had to classify myself some one there, the closest would be Salma Yaqoob based on the talk itself.
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    Yikes. When even die-hard bastions of liberalism like Rolling Stone are after you, you know you've got a serious PR problem if you're working for the Obama administration.

    Like the attacks by Al Qaeda, the disaster in the Gulf was preceded by ample warnings – yet the administration had ignored them. Instead of cracking down on MMS, as he had vowed to do even before taking office, Obama left in place many of the top officials who oversaw the agency's culture of corruption. He permitted it to rubber-stamp dangerous drilling operations by BP – a firm with the worst safety record of any oil company – with virtually no environmental safeguards, using industry-friendly regulations drafted during the Bush years. He calibrated his response to the Gulf spill based on flawed and misleading estimates from BP – and then deployed his top aides to lowball the flow rate at a laughable 5,000 barrels a day, long after the best science made clear this catastrophe would eclipse the Exxon Valdez.
    Even after the president's press conference, Rolling Stone has learned, the administration knew the spill could be far worse than its "best estimate" acknowledged. That same day, the president's Flow Rate Technical Group – a team of scientists charged with establishing the gusher's output – announced a new estimate of 12,000 to 25,000 barrels, based on calculations from video of the plume. In fact, according to interviews with team members and scientists familiar with its work, that figure represents the plume group's minimum estimate. The upper range was not included in their report because scientists analyzing the flow were unable to reach a consensus on how bad it could be. "The upper bound from the plume group, if it had come out, is very high," says Timothy Crone, a marine geophysicist at Columbia University who has consulted with the government's team. "That's why they had resistance internally. We're talking 100,000 barrels a day."

    The median figure for Crone's independent calculations is 55,000 barrels a day – the equivalent of an Exxon Valdez every five days. "That's what the plume team's numbers show too," Crone says. A source privy to internal discussions at one of the world's top oil companies confirms that the industry privately agrees with such estimates. "The industry definitely believes the higher-end values," the source says. "That's accurate – if not more than that." The reason, he adds, is that BP appears to have unleashed one of the 10 most productive wells in the Gulf. "BP screwed up a really big, big find," the source says. "And if they can't cap this, it's not going to blow itself out anytime soon."

    Even worse, the "moratorium" on drilling announced by the president does little to prevent future disasters. The ban halts exploratory drilling at only 33 deepwater operations, shutting down less than one percent of the total wells in the Gulf. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, the Cabinet-level official appointed by Obama to rein in the oil industry, boasts that "the moratorium is not a moratorium that will affect production" – which continues at 5,106 wells in the Gulf, including 591 in deep water.

    Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world's largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to "catastrophic" errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. "We are very concerned," they wrote, "that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis."

    The administration's response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had "zero contact" with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.
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    What is truly fascinating to me is that unlike Bush with Katrina, where the media immediately seized on a narrative of incompetence regardless of the facts, Obama went into this disaster with quite a bit of support from both the Left and the Right. Through sheer incompetence, both in actually managing the disaster and in PR, he squandered that initial good will and is suffering the worst poll numbers of his presidency. As much as I dislike the man's policies, I was prepared to give him a pass on this, but he has actually been a highly ineffectual leader. Very disconcerting, although not surprising I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan View Post
    How is it "rhetoric" to refer to BP as British Petroleum?
    Very easy to answer.

    BP is known as BP. And yes indeed, they used to be named British Petroleum, but no more. BP is nowadays very "multinational", and I do believe it is more US controlled (don't have exact figures at hand, so might be wrong, anyone?).

    However, by using the phrase British Petroleum instead of BP he tried to shift the burden of guilt over to jolly good old England. A jab in the nuts for the commonwealth.

    Basically, cheap rhetorics to blame-shift - "Don't look at me, they did it!"

    The sad thing is that many (if not most?) Americans will fall into such cheap traps, and disregard questions such as how could WE have let this happen in the first place. Please do bear in mind exactly where this happened and under what legislation, to try to blame-shift Britain seems feeble, to say the least.

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    Yikes. When even die-hard bastions of liberalism like Rolling Stone are after you, you know you've got a serious PR problem [...]
    Skimming the thread, are we?

    Secondly, I realize that playing the ref is a thirty-year tradition in the rightwing playbook, but don't you ever get tired of declaring every news source that isn't WorldNetDaily or National Review to be a Tool of Teh Evil Libruls? I know you're young, but you have heard of P.J. O'Rourke, yes? I'll let you take guesses as to who published him for the majority of his career. Yes, the "die-hard bastion of liberalism." Not that this will cause you cognitive dissonance, but still, it bears mentioning.
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    Very much so. I've drifted in and out between the hybrid discussion and the spat over whether the B in BP is "beyond" or "British". My apologies, of course.

    Secondly, I realize that playing the ref is a thirty-year tradition in the rightwing playbook, but don't you ever get tired of declaring every news source that isn't WorldNetDaily or National Review to be a Tool of Ten Evil Libruls?
    You must be confusing me with someone else.

    I know you're young, but you have heard of P.J. O'Rourke, yes? I'll let you take guesses as to who published him for the majority of his career. Yes, the "die-hard bastion of liberalism." Not that this will cause you cognitive dissonance, but still, it bears mentioning.
    O'Rourke? Really? He's your example of balance at RS? In any event, you are aware that he left RS a decade ago, correct?

    As for my claim of a liberal slant at RS, and especially an affinity towards Obama, I'll let you be the judge...

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    Very easy to answer.

    BP is known as BP. And yes indeed, they used to be named British Petroleum, but no more. BP is nowadays very "multinational", and I do believe it is more US controlled (don't have exact figures at hand, so might be wrong, anyone?).

    However, by using the phrase British Petroleum instead of BP he tried to shift the burden of guilt over to jolly good old England. A jab in the nuts for the commonwealth.

    Basically, cheap rhetorics to blame-shift - "Don't look at me, they did it!"

    The sad thing is that many (if not most?) Americans will fall into such cheap traps, and disregard questions such as how could WE have let this happen in the first place. Please do bear in mind exactly where this happened and under what legislation, to try to blame-shift Britain seems feeble, to say the least.
    What's a TV? Its a television. What's a PC? Its a personal computer. What's a BP? Why, sir, its British Petroleum. Everyone knows this, its not a secret. Regardless of what they are "officially" called, BP still stands for British Petroleum. They are one and the same, and anyone trying to look into more into the phrasing is doing so with an agenda at heart. Tell me, have you seen anyone blame the commonwealth for the spill? Any? And yes, I believe this is at the fault of BP. Their property, not the US Gov't. Blaming legislation for the what was a failure by the company is a cheap cop-out.
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    What's a TV? Its a television. What's a PC? Its a personal computer. What's a BP? Why, sir, its British Petroleum. Everyone knows this, its not a secret. Regardless of what they are "officially" called, BP still stands for British Petroleum. They are one and the same, and anyone trying to look into more into the phrasing is doing so with an agenda at heart. Tell me, have you seen anyone blame the commonwealth for the spill? Any? And yes, I believe this is at the fault of BP. Their property, not the US Gov't. Blaming legislation for the what was a failure by the company is a cheap cop-out.
    Where to start on this one...

    A TV is a television, I give you that one. Well done you! I applaud your effort.

    However, BP is not a short form of British Petroleum, although it was up until the year 2000.

    BP became very much international, currently only 40% of shareholders are British.

    As they changed the name from British Petroleum to BP they also coined a new corporate slogan, "Beyond Petroleum". Short form of that would be BP.

    So, so much for your endearing claim.

    As to the second part of your post, the one in bold - one might argue that legislation exist to put a leash on company's such as BP, you know, to keep them from (as a strictly theoretical example, of course) cause huge amounts of damage.

    Thank you for your time though, it is refreshing to hear from someone else than my intellectual friends.
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    You really are a mean person aren't you kadagar. And a very self sure one as well. If you thought about what you said you would probably realize that 40 percent of a companies shares is often a controlling margin disbarringeveryone else who owns stock being against you.

    Furthermore bp is in fact an international company with operations in far more than just the usa.

    Finally my "most brained" (as you would so eloquently say) friend there who says bp didn't work around the legislation. We already know they weren't really prepared for something like this despite what they say.

    The new question is, "should the us ban off shore drilling"

    Hell no possibly the most kneejerk reaction I have ever seen absolute rubbish "solution"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Where to start on this one...

    A TV is a television, I give you that one. Well done you! I applaud your effort.

    However, BP is not a short form of British Petroleum, although it was up until the year 2000.

    BP became very much international, currently only 40% of shareholders are British.

    As they changed the name from British Petroleum to BP they also coined a new corporate slogan, "Beyond Petroleum". Short form of that would be BP.

    So, so much for your endearing claim.
    Google search: British Petroleum. First hit? www.bp.com
    Yahoo search? www.bp.com/gulfofmexicoresponse
    Bing? www.bp.com

    British Petroleum = BP. Also, you seem to have this odd fixation with the national makeup of the company. How exactly is that relevant to the oil spill? Do you actually think people would be less upset if it was an American based company who screwed up? Or have you been sleeping through the financial crisis? Forget about Enron? Or, for a more pertinent example, Exxon?

    As to the second part of your post, the one in bold - one might argue that legislation exist to put a leash on company's such as BP, you know, to keep them from (as a strictly theoretical example, of course) cause huge amounts of damage.
    So, legislation should be there to prevent a company from doing damage? So you're next leap in logic is that it is not the company's fault for doing damage?

    Thank you for your time though, it is refreshing to hear from someone else than my intellectual friends.
    Clearly.
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