Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
Eighteen years ago when our anti-gay military policies were repealed, many high ranking officials kicked up a big stink, but after a few months everyone forgot all about it. I'm pretty sure that if we still had those policies in the military, that it would be against our anti-discrimination laws, and some enterprising gay person would have sued the government by now.
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Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
There are great costs to not having gays in the army. Talent is wasted, identification with a large segment of society is undermined. There are legitimacy concerns if the army is far out of tune with society - although this argument works in reverse too: if society disaproves of gays, the legitimacy of the army is undermined by having them.
Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
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Why prevent buff, fit gay men from serving? Our hetero male soldier pool is increasingly fat and out of shape.
And there are some lesbians that frankly scare me, I pretty certain they could kick my tail.
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Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
Women are a way bigger pain in the butt to accomadate in the military.
You try to retrofit a sub tohave seperate female quarter
The problem is that they are accomadated rather than integrated
Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
Depends on the sub/crew. They come in various editions, some with more luxury than others.But yes, those which are supposed to serve at minimum risk of detection run sleeping shifts as much as ordinary shifts (3 people sharing the same bed, IIRC). It's the only part of the military in the Netherlands where that argument is actually upheld and consequentially women cannot serve.
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Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
I work out with Vibeke Skofterud, lesbian olympic gold winner. She will have absolutely no problems kicking my arse.Originally Posted by drone
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Why prevent buff, fit gay men from serving? Our hetero male soldier pool is increasingly fat and out of shape.
And there are some lesbians that frankly scare me, I pretty certain they could kick my tail.
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And nobody felt to comment on whether the gay jokes in the army really are jokes? Not even you, Louis, had something to say to that?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
In the past (early ninties) i supported "don't tell" policy because the culture generally, and the culture in the armed forces particularly, was less tolerent than it is today. having homosexuals openly serving would have been a source of strife and would have reduced effectiveness.
That it is not the world we live in today, in the same way that equality has beaten out of the British male the instinctive desire to protect women, that in its day would also have seriously undermined unit effectiveness, so what i am saying is bring on a Starship Troopers world where social hang-ups play second fiddle to ability.
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Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
If this is true than British soldiers have lost part of their humanity.
I belive it has more to do with male service members coming to appreciate the value a woman can add to a team...and the sex, of course.
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
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Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
why?
it hasn't stopped any human insticnt from helping other people in general, or helping those who are vulnerable in particular, so what?
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Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
Why on earth should I as a male have a need to protect women? I have a need to protect children, yes, but that's because children are inferior to me, an adult. Women, however, are far from inferior and in no need of special protection.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
I highly support the Starship Troopers set-up. We should have more females not just in the army, but other physical activities as well. May it be the police, fire-fighting and others.
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Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
There are, however, plenty of them already in the most dangerous job in the world; farming.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
Well I'm of the opinion that most of it is joking. The people that probably are gay aren't doing the horseplay. A fair bit of what I've seen reminds more of the interaction between my brother and I, when we found something that annoyed the other we of course had to do that more to provoke a reaction. I see no difference with military gay immitations, the more vivid or disgusted the reaction the more likely that person will be hit on by the 'fake gays.' Being a quiet type I was initially the target of said annoying fake gays and the best way to stop being hassled by them is do that right back, then it seems to have lost it's fun because I wasn't giving the paniced disgusted reaction anymore.I work out with Vibeke Skofterud, lesbian olympic gold winner. She will have absolutely no problems kicking my arse.
And nobody felt to comment on whether the gay jokes in the army really are jokes? Not even you, Louis, had something to say to that?
Yeah, there's probably a few closet gays doing the fake gay acting but I still think most military guys are doing that as just horseplay/bordem.
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Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
Closet gays? Nonono, you misunderstood my meaning completely.
They are not homosexual in any way, they are simply heterosexual males looking for comfort and closeness in new ways after their previous souces for that have been taken away from them.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
Served with a gay guy. This did not cause one problem what so ever, either for me or the platoon at large :)
But then, Sweden is not all Taliban about it...
Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
But still,
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Re: How Will Allowing Gays to Openly Serve Effect Combat Readiness?
I take pride in the fact I can usually decipher your input, but I admit: this time you have me stumped.
Wut?
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