Persian victories over the Greeks?

Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

But they weren't Persians.

But the people they ruled were. Right? or were the people non-Persians and the rulers Persian?

Originally Posted by vartan

But the people they ruled were. Right? or were the people non-Persians and the rulers Persian?

I take it that's a rhetorical question. The Pahlavân were indeed as Persian as the rulers of the "Holy Roman Empire" were Roman, but they effectively ruled over a successor of the Achaemenid Empire.
Among their more or less loyal subjects were many Persians, some of whom, being disaffected, overthrew the Parthian rule in 224.
While the Parthians weren't real Persians by birth, they were (to some extent) Persians by choice - and IMO choice counts more.

Originally Posted by athanaric

I take it that's a rhetorical question.

Funny.

Originally Posted by athanaric

The Pahlavân were indeed as Persian as the rulers of the "Holy Roman Empire" were Roman, but they effectively ruled over a successor of the Achaemenid Empire.
Among their more or less loyal subjects were many Persians, some of whom, being disaffected, overthrew the Parthian rule in 224.
While the Parthians weren't real Persians by birth, they were (to some extent) Persians by choice - and IMO choice counts more.

Thanks.

Where is The Persian Cataphract when you need him?

Originally Posted by NeoSpartan

Where is The Persian Cataphract when you need him?

Probably chillin' @ da Holiday Inn...

P.S. Thanks Timoleon n' Welcome. That list is sweet as heck: got me started on some readings, oh yeah.

Originally Posted by vartan

Funny.

I just thought you'd know that, seeing as Persia is to Armenia what Germany is to Poland (the big bad neighbour who likes to trash you for no particular reason).

Originally Posted by athanaric

I just thought you'd know that, seeing as Persia is to Armenia what Germany is to Poland (the big bad neighbour who likes to trash you for no particular reason).

or the Crusaders to Egyptians/levantines..

or Mongols o Iraqis

or Japanese to Koreans and Chinese..

or French to Germans in the 1700's

the list goes on....

but yeah, where did the TPC go? he made some great posts about persian/iranian military history, and culture.

Originally Posted by athanaric

I just thought you'd know that, seeing as Persia is to Armenia what Germany is to Poland (the big bad neighbour who likes to trash you for no particular reason).

That's a nice assumption! Guess you never know what it's like till you walk a mile in his shoes!