Essentual units to use 'Alt-Click' with

**Conan** · 06-19-2010, 13:31

Hi guys,

I've heard certain units are much better when using there secondary weapon such as babylonian spearmen and hellenic elite infantry....is there or does anyone know of a list which mentions all these units?

**Ibrahim** · 06-19-2010, 16:30

Originally Posted by Conan

Hi guys,

I've heard certain units are much better when using there secondary weapon such as babylonian spearmen and hellenic elite infantry....is there or does anyone know of a list which mentions all these units?

heavy cavalry.

**Seneca** · 06-19-2010, 16:51

Thorakitai hoplitai, Massaliotai hoplitai.

**vartan** · 06-19-2010, 17:17

Originally Posted by Ibrahim

heavy cavalry.

Not if you're playing the AI or humans that don't use secondaries with their cav.

@Conan It isn't as simple as the secondary weapon being better than the primary. AFAIK there are bonuses for spears against cavalry, but no such bonuses when using swords or something else. So the question isn't complicated enough. You should ask: What type of unit am I using, and what type of unit am I up against? Then you can figure out by calculation which weapon is appropriate in that setting.

**Kikaz** · 06-19-2010, 21:03

Appea Gaedotos, Mori Gaesum

**Apázlinemjó** · 06-19-2010, 23:07

Galatikoi Kuarothoroi and their Arverni friends. Ahh, and Solduros.

**Ibrahim** · 06-20-2010, 04:27

Originally Posted by vartan

Not if you're playing the AI or humans that don't use secondaries with their cav.

@Conan It isn't as simple as the secondary weapon being better than the primary. AFAIK there are bonuses for spears against cavalry, but no such bonuses when using swords or something else. So the question isn't complicated enough. You should ask: What type of unit am I using, and what type of unit am I up against? Then you can figure out by calculation which weapon is appropriate in that setting.

it does give you a better edge-no matter how slightly it is. so to me, it is essential.

that's how I work; I pinch-penny my way to success

**vartan** · 06-20-2010, 05:11

Originally Posted by Ibrahim

it does give you a better edge-no matter how slightly it is. so to me, it is essential.

that's how I work; I pinch-penny my way to success

That's the thing, it doesn't. The primary weapon kills more enemy men than does the secondary weapon. This is the WTF?! phenomenon of the last half decade in EB.

**antisocialmunky** · 06-20-2010, 05:41

From an MP stand point, the lance is ridiculous on cavalry. It is ALWAYS the best weapon to use versus other heavy cavalry. However the secondaries are good if you leave them in melee with infantry(that carry swords and have no AP).