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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Putt View Post
    Pontian and armenian heavy infantry
    No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
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    Default Re: Armor of the Shipri Tukul (Babylonian Heavy Spearmen)...most awesome merc infantr

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    No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
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    Hayasdan have their palace guards.
    Exactly. At the palace, not in the field! LOL
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    sorry i meant medium/"Elite" infantry ;)
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    Default Re: Armor of the Shipri Tukul (Babylonian Heavy Spearmen)...most awesome merc infantr

    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post
    No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Putt View Post
    sorry i meant medium/"Elite" infantry ;)
    Heavy=/=elite.
    The Hai armoured swordsmen may well count as heavy infantry. The problem though is their lethality (0.1), which is sub par. Other units of their "class" have 0.13 lethality.

    BTW I think Shipri Tukul are just fine as they are.




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    the pontian version is called Elite the armenian one medium is that so hard to understand. they look rather heavy so I reffered to them as heavy infantry. both are rather similar and are a perfect example of EB unit pricing taking hitorical availibility etc into account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    BTW I think Shipri Tukul are just fine as they are.
    But they cost more than a principes, and have less morale than a hastati despite having 'trained/high_discipline' traits. And they have the same armor value as a polybian hastati despite the hastati only have a single chest square while the shipri tukul have complete torso armor...
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    We Armenians get **** swords (= It's really fun, especially considering our eons old iron works.
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    Yes Intra, but EB is geared towards single player and even in multiplayer gives some factions strengths others don't have. They're still mercenaries or troops fighting for a foreign overlord. Of course they're going to have less morale. What you're pointing out is that Romans have super-good heavy infantry. The Babylonians spearmen are costed correctly given their region of recruitment and the gaping holes they fill in the line up of the factions that pick them.

    Edit - and yeah, they look pretty cool. I wish their formation was a bit more dense though. It's really set to enhance their secondary weapon rather than their primary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterFred View Post
    Yes Intra, but EB is geared towards single player and even in multiplayer gives some factions strengths others don't have. They're still mercenaries or troops fighting for a foreign overlord. Of course they're going to have less morale. What you're pointing out is that Romans have super-good heavy infantry. The Babylonians spearmen are costed correctly given their region of recruitment and the gaping holes they fill in the line up of the factions that pick them.

    Edit - and yeah, they look pretty cool. I wish their formation was a bit more dense though. It's really set to enhance their secondary weapon rather than their primary.
    Well the comparison isn't just with Roman infantry. If you compare them with say, Greek infantry, Celtic unarmored infantry, etc - the Shipri Tukul should have more morale than a measly 11 and more armor than 9.

    Morale mostly because he has the traits of being both "highly" disciplined and trained - and the units with those traits usually have morale in the 13s or so.
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    Highly Disciplined and Trained are bonuses in themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post
    No such thing! Haha, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikaz View Post
    Pontikoi Thorakitai
    More like Pontic Light Infantry. But it's fine online now that we've given it the boosts it needs.
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