Armor of the Shipri Tukul (Babylonian Heavy Spearmen)...most awesome merc infantry

[Intranetusa]

BTW I think Shipri Tukul are just fine as they are.

But they cost more than a principes, and have less morale than a hastati despite having 'trained/high_discipline' traits. And they have the same armor value as a polybian hastati despite the hastati only have a single chest square while the shipri tukul have complete torso armor...

[vartan]

We Armenians get **** swords (= It's really fun, especially considering our eons old iron works.

[MisterFred]

Yes Intra, but EB is geared towards single player and even in multiplayer gives some factions strengths others don't have. They're still mercenaries or troops fighting for a foreign overlord. Of course they're going to have less morale. What you're pointing out is that Romans have super-good heavy infantry. The Babylonians spearmen are costed correctly given their region of recruitment and the gaping holes they fill in the line up of the factions that pick them.

Edit - and yeah, they look pretty cool. I wish their formation was a bit more dense though. It's really set to enhance their secondary weapon rather than their primary.

[Intranetusa]

Yes Intra, but EB is geared towards single player and even in multiplayer gives some factions strengths others don't have. They're still mercenaries or troops fighting for a foreign overlord. Of course they're going to have less morale. What you're pointing out is that Romans have super-good heavy infantry. The Babylonians spearmen are costed correctly given their region of recruitment and the gaping holes they fill in the line up of the factions that pick them.

Edit - and yeah, they look pretty cool. I wish their formation was a bit more dense though. It's really set to enhance their secondary weapon rather than their primary.

Well the comparison isn't just with Roman infantry. If you compare them with say, Greek infantry, Celtic unarmored infantry, etc - the Shipri Tukul should have more morale than a measly 11 and more armor than 9.

Morale mostly because he has the traits of being both "highly" disciplined and trained - and the units with those traits usually have morale in the 13s or so.

[antisocialmunky]

Highly Disciplined and Trained are bonuses in themselves.

[Apázlinemjó]

Aye, they tire and lose moral slower with those traits.

[Intranetusa]

=(

On another note.

Gund-î Nîzagân (Parthian Spearmen) are described as "poorly trained, levy infantry" but have the trait "highly_trained." I guess training only refers to the tightness of the formation or tiring rate, but it's funny nonetheless. :D