Reflections on the World Cup: Africans aren't badly organized; you're just a racist.

[HoreTore]

A month of drinking beer and watching TV has come to an end, unfortunately... GOD was defeated by the Hitlerjugend, and the slow-starting spaniards won it in the end. The best moment? When Maradona's heel-kick got more cheers than when they scored a goal...

But one thing kept bugging me: when the african teams were discussed, they always stated that they were poorly organized at the back. What? African teams got at most three goals against them, on two occasions; the first was suffered by the poorest african team, South Africa, and the second was against Brazil. Meanwhile, teams like England got 4 goals against them, but where are the people saying that englishmen have no sense of organization? Korea also got 4 against them, and Japan got 3, but nobody's claiming that asians are incapable of proper organization. Sure, Cameroon did a lot of silly stuff in the match against Denmark, but by bloody hell, so did the danish defense!

Why do we then make such claims? Because Englishmen and Danes are superior whites, Asians are human calculators and black africans are stone age monkeys.

In fact, the true problem the african teams have faced in this world cup, is offensive cooperation. They haven't been able to create the really big scoring opportunities and has scored a lot less than you would expect from teams with so many good offensive players. Algerie, for example, only conceded two goals, but they failed to proceed because they failed to score any goals themselves.



Oh, and Suarez can burn.

[naut]

Africans aren't poorly organised. Of course they aren't. Yet, it would be foolish not to note that in Africa they do things differently.

For example, in Europe or the US or any other "Western" country for that matter, watch the process of a highway being re-laid with tar. Two lanes are closed. Signs go up a kilometre before where the workers are. Speed limits are lowered. All for the safety of the worker. The outside lane(s) is(are) done first, progressing to the centre.

In Africa. The lane being worked on is closed, no signs go up, the speed limit stays the same. Cars whiz by as the workers relay the middle lane of a 6 lane highway, while the outside lanes remain untouched. The new tar well above the level of the old lanes, so as cars switch lanes it's as if they are mounting the curb.

Anyone who as spent time in Africa fells this vibe, this aura, it's intoxicating. You feel alive, at home, in touch with everything. It's truly astounding. And when you leave you miss it. The way they do things, the way they talk, the intangible beauty of the continent.

[HoreTore]

Africans aren't poorly organised. Of course they aren't. Yet, it would be foolish not to note that in Africa they do things differently.

For example, in Europe or the US or any other "Western" country for that matter, watch the process of a highway being re-laid with tar. Two lanes are closed. Signs go up a kilometre before where the workers are. Speed limits are lowered. All for the safety of the worker. The outside lane(s) is(are) done first, progressing to the centre.

In Africa. The lane being worked on is closed, no signs go up, the speed limit stays the same. Cars whiz by as the workers relay the middle lane of a 6 lane highway, while the outside lanes remain untouched. The new tar well above the level of the old lanes, so as cars switch lanes it's as if they are mounting the curb.

Anyone who as spent time in Africa fells this vibe, this aura, it's intoxicating. You feel alive, at home, in touch with everything. It's truly astounding. And when you leave you miss it. The way they do things, the way they talk, the intangible beauty of the continent.

This is about defensive organzation in football...........

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In fact, the true problem the african teams have faced in this world cup, is offensive cooperation.

Don't be racist, Africans can cooperate just as well as Europeans

[gaelic cowboy]

That pitch in Port Elisebeth was a disgrace how's that for poor organisation

[drone]

Algerie, for example, only conceded two goals, but they failed to proceed because they failed to score any goals themselves.

Poor example, Algeria didn't even try to score in the third game. They needed 2 goals to advance, but were content to draw 0-0 with the US and eliminate them out of spite.

The main problems with the African teams were their own federations.

[Rhyfelwyr]

There are a lot of stereotypes about how they play football in different parts of the world. In Northern Europe, play is much more direct, and it is a much more physical game in general. The Miditerranean countries are known for playing good passing football, usually at a much more relaxed pace (look how they are happy to pass the ball round the back for half an hour, in the northern countries the fans go mad if they don't push forward everytime they get possession).

Asians are known for being technically solid, especially at set pieces. Maybe I'm biased from seeing so much of Nakamura at Celtic, but look at those free kicks Japan scored against Denmark.

Those from Latin America are known for their flair, kind of similar to their roots back in Southern Europe.

African countries are probably best known for having an attacking bias, given the number of quality strikers they have produced (going back to the likes of George Weah etc), especially the stronger sort you can stick up front on their own, eg Drogba.

There's nothing racist about these stereotypes, its more to do with the culture that surrounds football in these places. Plus the commentators didn't all hate on the African sides, I recall one commentating on how solid and well organised Ghana were.

[Crazed Rabbit]

But one thing kept bugging me: when the african teams were discussed, they always stated that they were poorly organized at the back. What? African teams got at most three goals against them, on two occasions; the first was suffered by the poorest african team, South Africa, and the second was against Brazil. Meanwhile, teams like England got 4 goals against them, but where are the people saying that englishmen have no sense of organization? Korea also got 4 against them, and Japan got 3, but nobody's claiming that asians are incapable of proper organization. Sure, Cameroon did a lot of silly stuff in the match against Denmark, but by bloody hell, so did the danish defense!

Why do we then make such claims? Because Englishmen and Danes are superior whites, Asians are human calculators and black africans are stone age monkeys.

In fact, the true problem the african teams have faced in this world cup, is offensive cooperation. They haven't been able to create the really big scoring opportunities and has scored a lot less than you would expect from teams with so many good offensive players. Algerie, for example, only conceded two goals, but they failed to proceed because they failed to score any goals themselves.

Hmm. I didn't notice any of the ESPN announcers saying that. Maybe it's just the Norwegian announcers who are racist.

Oh, and Suarez can burn.

I agree with you completely HoreTore.

What really angered me was the ESPN announcers saying it was disgraceful for the fans to boo Suarez.

CR

[HoreTore]

There's nothing racist about these stereotypes, its more to do with the culture that surrounds football in these places.

Indeed, I do not disagree with that statement.

HOWEVER, saying that african teams are disorganized at the back is still complete rubbish, and this world cup proved it. No, I still maintain my claim that the universal fault in the african teams was their lack of offensive cooperation, ie. getting their through balls to connect with the strikers, as well as their movement off the ball.

The African teams proved in this world cup that they are as tight at the back as a Jehovas Witness at the blue oyster club. Yet the disorganized african myth still lingers on, and I can't see many reasons for that except racism and the underdeveloped and stupid african myth.

On the subject of footballing cultures; I don't really believe that Africa has any. Why? Because they lack good leagues. Every good african is shipped off to europe at the age of 18, leaving the national league without any players capable of playing at the national team(kudos to SA on this one). Now, what does that mean? It means that developing a single culture and continuity becomes impossible. The English national team plays the way it does because that's the way the majority of english sides play, and have played for ages. The Netherlands are still playing(at least trying) the way Ajax started playing back in the 60's. Norway plays a physical, direct style that we've played for ages. In Africa, however, there is no league to lay the foundations of a culture. Their national teams have no common ground, it's a dizzying mix of English, French, Italian, Spanish and Dutch styles of fotball.

Hmm. I didn't notice any of the ESPN announcers saying that.

In what alternate universe does a yank with football knowledge exist?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We import our announcers from overseas.

[HoreTore]

We import our announcers from overseas.

it was a joke.... I've never watched ESPN, so I have no knowledge of what's going on there...

[drone]

I believe it was Ian Darke who was commentating the 3rd place match, defending Suarez (rightly so, I might add). For the knockout stages, it was mainly him paired with John Harkes, and Martin Tyler paired with Efan Ekoku alternating the games. Ally McCoist got sick or lost his voice at some point. At least we were spared Tommy Smyth.

In Africa, however, there is no league to lay the foundations of a culture. Their national teams have no common ground, it's a dizzying mix of English, French, Italian, Spanish and Dutch styles of fotball.

So what you are saying is that they are disorganized?

[HoreTore]

So what you are saying is that they are disorganized?

Whatever gave you that idea?

A common football ideology has nothing to do with how capable you are of organizing a sturdy defense.

[Gregoshi]

We import our announcers from overseas.

"Give us your tired, your poor, your soccer [sic] announcers who say 'nil' instead of 'zero' and 'level' instead of 'tied'..."

[Sasaki Kojiro]

"Give us your tired, your poor, your soccer [sic] announcers who say 'nil' instead of 'zero' and 'level' instead of 'tied'..."

"the parugayan defense has been both miserly and obdurate"

Ally McCoist got sick or lost his voice at some point.

He was my favorite, it's a shame.

[drone]

Whatever gave you that idea?

A common football ideology has nothing to do with how capable you are of organizing a sturdy defense.

You are the one with the announcer problem. Disorganized defense by the African teams was not a topic over here. When excusing the failures of the CAF nations in the tournament, we had injuries (Drogba/IC), pre-tourney coaching changes (Cameroon, Nigeria), and just not being that good (South Africa). Algeria didn't even try to advance. I'm fairly certain when the topic of disorganized defense came up, they were talking about the US squad.

He was my favorite, it's a shame.

He got paired with Tyler a few times as the color man. A great team.

[HoreTore]

You are the one with the announcer problem. Disorganized defense by the African teams was not a topic over here. When excusing the failures of the CAF nations in the tournament, we had injuries (Drogba/IC), pre-tourney coaching changes (Cameroon, Nigeria), and just not being that good (South Africa). Algeria didn't even try to advance. I'm fairly certain when the topic of disorganized defense came up, they were talking about the US squad.


He got paired with Tyler a few times as the color man. A great team.

Quick question; what's an "announcer"?

[drone]

Quick question; what's an "announcer"?

The guys on the tele spouting off about the games and supposedly being racist about the CAF teams. Sports analyst, broadcaster, whatever.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Indeed, I do not disagree with that statement.

HOWEVER, saying that african teams are disorganized at the back is still complete rubbish, and this world cup proved it. No, I still maintain my claim that the universal fault in the african teams was their lack of offensive cooperation, ie. getting their through balls to connect with the strikers, as well as their movement off the ball.

The African teams proved in this world cup that they are as tight at the back as a Jehovas Witness at the blue oyster club. Yet the disorganized african myth still lingers on, and I can't see many reasons for that except racism and the underdeveloped and stupid african myth.

So disorganised at the front, then?

I never heard any of this "racist" rubbish, anyway. I remember a Norwegian telling me that you don't want to meet a Norwegian in Norway, meet him somewhere else, he seemed to think you were all xenophobes. Though he was just raised in Norway, he was actually an Anglo-Cypriot.

[Strike For The South]

Norway is a country in Scandanavia known for it's long winters and austere beauty.

[Centurion1]

Norway has a good military for its size. And my commie hating father grudginly praises parts of norway. So something good must be there.

Though horetore your racist assertion is laughable.

[Megas Methuselah]

Africans aren't poorly organised. Of course they aren't. Yet, it would be foolish not to note that in Africa they do things differently.

For example, in Europe or the US or any other "Western" country for that matter, watch the process of a highway being re-laid with tar. Two lanes are closed. Signs go up a kilometre before where the workers are. Speed limits are lowered. All for the safety of the worker. The outside lane(s) is(are) done first, progressing to the centre.

In Africa. The lane being worked on is closed, no signs go up, the speed limit stays the same. Cars whiz by as the workers relay the middle lane of a 6 lane highway, while the outside lanes remain untouched. The new tar well above the level of the old lanes, so as cars switch lanes it's as if they are mounting the curb.

Anyone who as spent time in Africa fells this vibe, this aura, it's intoxicating. You feel alive, at home, in touch with everything. It's truly astounding. And when you leave you miss it. The way they do things, the way they talk, the intangible beauty of the continent.

.... Pathetic, man. That sounds insulting, I know, but this post is just... nonsense... on so many different levels.

[Strike For The South]

.... Pathetic, man. That sounds insulting, I know, but this post is just... nonsense... on so many different levels.

Does he know that by 2045 the first nations will be 1/3 the population of ramadamadingdong Canada? This may change his opinion

[Louis VI the Fat]

A month of drinking beer and watching TV has come to an end, unfortunately... GOD was defeated by the Hitlerjugend, and the slow-starting spaniards won it in the end. The best moment? When Maradona's heel-kick got more cheers than when they scored a goal...

But one thing kept bugging me: when the african teams were discussed, they always stated that they were poorly organized at the back. What? African teams got at most three goals against them, on two occasions; the first was suffered by the poorest african team, South Africa, and the second was against Brazil. Meanwhile, teams like England got 4 goals against them, but where are the people saying that englishmen have no sense of organization? Korea also got 4 against them, and Japan got 3, but nobody's claiming that asians are incapable of proper organization. Sure, Cameroon did a lot of silly stuff in the match against Denmark, but by bloody hell, so did the danish defense!

Why do we then make such claims? Because Englishmen and Danes are superior whites, Asians are human calculators and black africans are stone age monkeys.

In fact, the true problem the african teams have faced in this world cup, is offensive cooperation. They haven't been able to create the really big scoring opportunities and has scored a lot less than you would expect from teams with so many good offensive players. Algerie, for example, only conceded two goals, but they failed to proceed because they failed to score any goals themselves.



Oh, and Suarez can burn.

The Asians have mediocre players who managed reasonable results and solid teamplay. I think only Kawasaki of Japan and Park of South Korea play at Europe's best clubs.

The African teams featured an array of international stars who underperformed.


They were rubbish and disorganised. Each man for himself, every player up front thought himself a Maradona, seeking his own glory.




And Suárez is villain and hero alike. The two don't exclude the other. At any rate, I prefered what he did over the karate kicks of the Dutch and the free diving of the Spanish in the final.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Anyone who as spent time in Africa fells this vibe, this aura, it's intoxicating. You feel alive, at home, in touch with everything. It's truly astounding. And when you leave you miss it. The way they do things, the way they talk, the intangible beauty of the continent.

We are all Africans. Millions of years of Africa are in our genes. You feel it when you're there.

[HoreTore]

The African teams featured an array of international stars who underperformed.

They were rubbish and disorganised. Each man for himself, every player up front thought himself a Maradona, seeking his own glory.

So... They were poorly disorganized defensively, and yet they managed to not concede many goals...?

EDIT: And what "reasonable" result did the asian teams accomplish, if I may ask? The biggest defeat in the cup? Conceding four goals against both Argentina and Germany? In fact, the Korean team conceded more goals than Nigeria did in the same group; yet we still blast the negroes for behaving like monkeys, while praising the discipline of the far east?

That doesn't add up.

[Fragony]

The African matches were fun, but how can you call it anything other than disorganised. Give them some time to get their act together and I am sure they can be very dangerous, keep an eye on Nigeria.

[Meneldil]

EDIT: And what "reasonable" result did the asian teams accomplish, if I may ask? The biggest defeat in the cup? Conceding four goals against both Argentina and Germany? In fact, the Korean team conceded more goals than Nigeria did in the same group; yet we still blast the negroes for behaving like monkeys, while praising the discipline of the far east?

The Asians have mediocre players who managed reasonable results and solid teamplay.
The African teams featured an array of international stars who underperformed.

That is the difference. Notwithstanding that, most games played by Japan (less so for Korea) were interesting to watch.

[HoreTore]

The Asians have mediocre players who managed reasonable results and solid teamplay.
The African teams featured an array of international stars who underperformed.

That is the difference. Notwithstanding that, most games played by Japan (less so for Korea) were interesting to watch.

Nonsense! One of the problems with the African sides, is that the world-class players are paired with rubbish players. Take Ghana, for example, where Chelseas Michael Essien is in the same starting eleven as Wigan's third choice goalkeeper, Richard Kingson. It's like saying that Norway and Sweden should be a football super-power because we have Carew and Ibrahimovic.

And both Korea and Japan have solid national leagues, something none of the african teams have.

[Andres]

Every WC team has been analysed and criticised. I don't know about Norway, but in Belgium, each game was analysed by specialists explaining the good and the bad of each seperate team. So yeah, at a certain time, somebody will have said that some African team was badly organised when giving away a chance or so.

Which begs the question: what's the purpose of this thread?

That we admit that we are white and that being white is a synonym for being an evil racist after which we will collectively chastise ourselves for our sin?