Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

[TheFlax]

I'm not sure we can totally figure out with certainty what is going on, since we don't know the powers of the Ancient Vampire or the special role. As such, I'm not too sure about Renata's theory.

For this round I think we should try lynching Kagemusha and placing our top suspect in second place, like TinCow suggested earlier. At the very least, we get more information, at best, we lynch scum.

Vote: Kagemusha

[Sasaki Kojiro]

TheFlax needs to die on principle. No townie should even be that scummy.

[Beefy187]

Vote: Kagemusha

[Romanic]

*sigh*

Exactly Sasaki. I keep telling them how TheFlax is scummy, but they won't listen.

[TheFlax]

TheFlax needs to die on principle. No townie should even be that scummy.

I'll make a memento out of that.

[Beefy187]

Never mind.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think atheotes was the lynched mafioso. Unfortunately, we are still having two kills a night.

Let's get kage with the most votes, and TheFlax behind him. If kage is lynched, it should drop to one kill a night...if not we eliminate another suspect.

[Renata]

What makes you so confident the person with the second-most votes will die? Just because it happened last time? Beskar may have been targeted deliberately; it makes perfect sense if the Ancient Vampire (whoever he is or was) knows or guessed that Nikolaos (whoever that is or was) is a rival. Who commented on Beskar having claimed to be the special role? Will someone search on "Beskar" and "role" in this thread to see who might have been a little too interested in that possibility?

Maybe you should also be looking at who (besides The Stranger) had me down as a suspect right before I died. Methos, for instance, but there may have been others.

Edit: and all that said, there's no guarantee that Kagemusha can pull that off a second time. If he is the slave and Methos or someone else has taken over, there's no guarantee they'd have the same ability that Kukri had to deflect a lynch, though it's a possibility. Even if I'm completely wrong, it could have been a one-shot. I'd still rather see Kage vigged, though.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What makes you so confident the person with the second-most votes will die? Just because it happened last time? Beskar may have been targeted deliberately; it makes perfect sense if the Ancient Vampire (whoever he is or was) knows or guessed that Nikolaos (whoever that is or was) is a rival. Who commented on Beskar having claimed to be the special role? Will someone search on "Beskar" and "role" in this thread to see who might have been a little too interested in that possibility?

Maybe you should also be looking at who (besides The Stranger) had me down as a suspect right before I died. Methos, for instance, but there may have been others.

What do you mean "so confidant"?

It could be a one-shot.
It could be a "switch to next highest"--actually, check YLC's game, I think Andres had this power or something like it in that game
It could be totally up to him

In the first two cases we should do as I suggested, in the last we have no control.

-edit-

This was the ability Andres had:

Once per day and only twice per game, you may lynch the person with the second most votes instead, or you may give pardon to a player and prevent their lynch. You cannot use this ability to save any player with the same alignment as yourself.

Now, that last bit "cannot save...same alignment" is what I was thinking when Kage was first lynched. But he hasn't reacted very townie.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Eh, I was going to make a big post going over everyone, but it's going to be crucial that the mafia kill off the more suspicious people.

[Renata]

What I'm trying to get at is if it is option 3 -- and we can't be sure it isn't -- maybe a vig on him would bypass the problem.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What I'm trying to get at is if it is option 3 -- and we can't be sure it isn't -- maybe a vig on him would bypass the problem.

Well, if we had one to spare instead of having thrown it away on Kukri, I would say so. Kage should have been vigged that night.

If he's townie, got framed by the mafia, and isn't raising a stink then I will be annoyed...

I suppose I could go for a pevergreen lynch, and we could use the vig on Kage tonight.

Huh, I'm beginning to think that the ancient vampire is really very little like the Godfather of the other games. OP says we have to lynch all the mafiosi.

[Choxorn]

Well, we don't know how it works, so we really need to find out, which we can if we attempt to lynch Kage.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm, I really think Beefy should be the lynch today.

[Diana Abnoba]

To me it sounds like we need to lynch Kage today. At least it will test a lot of the theories going around. But make sure that we put someone we think is guilty 2nd in line. Make sure only 2 people are in the running today for the lynch. This will also test how Kage's lynch immune power works.

Vote Kage in the #1 spot
Vote say Split in the 2nd spot (if he is lynched-we may loose a townie- but he's an inactive one at least) {or pick someone else}

We need Kage at least 3-4 votes over Split, so no more than 6 total votes on him.

Ya know this just may bite us, maybe just have only votes on Kage, and see what happens. I can see the mafia putting votes on Kage and changing them last minute.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynch beefy; vig kage. It may be a waste to lynch him again, and now we have a good suspect to go after in Beefy.

[Beskar]

What makes you so confident the person with the second-most votes will die? Just because it happened last time? Beskar may have been targeted deliberately; it makes perfect sense if the Ancient Vampire (whoever he is or was) knows or guessed that Nikolaos (whoever that is or was) is a rival. Who commented on Beskar having claimed to be the special role? Will someone search on "Beskar" and "role" in this thread to see who might have been a little too interested in that possibility?

That would have been TinCow.

[Kagemusha]

That would have been TinCow.

Unfortunately we lost Tincow in one of these tragic accidents.

[The Stranger]

methos should die. beefy and pever also good targets.

[The Stranger]

andres u forgot to put my lynch, day nine conclusion, in the summary thread.

[The Stranger]

What do you mean "so confidant"?

It could be a one-shot.
It could be a "switch to next highest"--actually, check YLC's game, I think Andres had this power or something like it in that game
It could be totally up to him

In the first two cases we should do as I suggested, in the last we have no control.

-edit-

This was the ability Andres had:



Now, that last bit "cannot save...same alignment" is what I was thinking when Kage was first lynched. But he hasn't reacted very townie.

maybe andres implemented something similar, but just took out the "cannot save...same alignment" part. it is a different game after all...

[pevergreen]

Rekilldeadperson: The Stranger

Vote: Split

[Kagemusha]

Rekilldeadperson: The Stranger

Vote: Split

So Split is the guilty one? Im convinced. Vote: Split

[pevergreen]

I tie your longevity into the liklihood of Finland appearing in my current EU3 game. Since I want the map to look like the real world, I need you alive.

[Diamondeye]

vote:Kagemusha

If we decide upon another course of action (ie vig Kage and lynch someone else), I'll be around to change it.
We need active voters. I'm looking at Spl1t, pever and AA here . Having three basically inactive people in the final ten is not optimal

[Beefy187]

Lynch beefy; vig kage. It may be a waste to lynch him again, and now we have a good suspect to go after in Beefy.

No ones voting me? I'm offended.

I would rather die now, then be the last three or so remaining to make the hard choice...

[Beefy187]

Unvote, Vote: Beefy

Sorry

[Secura]

Having three basically inactive people in the final ten is not optimal

Which is what mafia count on, no?

Kill off the people who analyse, scrutinise and above all post; leave the non-committal players alive so that it's hard for town to muster those vital votes in end-game. :/

[Beskar]

hence why both Mafia and players should always kill Lurkers first on principle.

[TheFlax]

Yeah, we're having a really poor showing.

I'm fine with Sasaki's plan. Vote: Beefy. I'll still be around if that needs changing, but since my dad is visiting, I don't want to spend too much time on the Org.