Jirisys' Phalanx Mod (Reduplicated)

[vartan]

Good job. I used to use this on RTW, but since I got alex, I haven't been able to use it.

EB on the Alex engine is simply that: The same EB you've been playing this whole time, simply on the Alex engine. The EDUs should be identical.

This is for Alex :)
~Jirisys (Hai =/= Hi)

It should work for RTW. Anyone with problems should indicate so in this thread. I'm going to go ahead and integrate this with the Comp. Pack (I've talked with you on MSN).

[Vaginacles]

Oddly enough, its harder to fight a classical phalanx with a macedonian phalanx formation in this. Also, levy hoplites are pretty much useless against any other phalanx formation, since they just get cut up quick as hell because of the constant pushing. Not that i'm complaining, this mod is awesome.

[jirisys]

Oddly enough, its harder to fight a classical phalanx with a macedonian phalanx formation in this.

Pyrrhos also found out that when he attacked Sparta

Also, levy hoplites are pretty much useless against any other phalanx formation, since they just get cut up quick as hell because of the constant pushing.

No wonder they are levy and the lowest tier of hoplites

Not that i'm complaining, this mod is awesome.

I know it is

~Jirisys (Now... GO CONQUER MAKEDONIA!)

[vartan]

Oddly enough, its harder to fight a classical phalanx with a macedonian phalanx formation in this. Also, levy hoplites are pretty much useless against any other phalanx formation, since they just get cut up quick as hell because of the constant pushing. Not that i'm complaining, this mod is awesome.

I haven't tested this mod. Are you saying that with this mod, the Makedonian Phalanx has a harder time defeating a Classical Hoplite? Do you mean the Makedonian Phalanx still wins, but with more casualties?

[jirisys]

I haven't tested this mod. Are you saying that with this mod, the Makedonian Phalanx has a harder time defeating a Classical Hoplite? Do you mean the Makedonian Phalanx still wins, but with more casualties?

Not really, It's the same; it just takes more time since the shield defense is raised (but if you flank then from the right or rear, you'll massacre them, as defense ability is lowered)

~Jirisys (But really, conquer MAKEDONIA!!!)

[Vaginacles]

To clarify, i tested this as makedonia against the KH, and first battle was pretty even matchup between KH classical hoplites and levy phalanx. Even though the Levies tend to win over the classical, i find that after they close in my levies get cut up against the hoplites. Its no longer the "stand motionless while the phalanx pokes you to death hoplites" but now they actually push in to close and engage in melee combat. Obviously, this causes much more casualties.

This mod basically demotes levy hoplites from useful line infantry to "push to the death" infantry, i haven't tested it against the Romanoi or barbaroi factions yet, but i suspect it will fair the same.

Oh and one more thing, don't put guard mode on Makedonian phalanxes, it'll just ruin you in Phalanx vs Phalanx battles.

Flanking them is easier said than done, for some reason they refused to die/rout when i run my FM into a phalanx's butt, probably because of the opposing general still being alive.

[jirisys]

To clarify, i tested this as makedonia against the KH, and first battle was pretty even matchup between KH classical hoplites and levy phalanx. Even though the Levies tend to win over the classical, i find that after they close in my levies get cut up against the hoplites. Its no longer the "stand motionless while the phalanx pokes you to death hoplites" but now they actually push in to close and engage in melee combat. Obviously, this causes much more casualties.

This mod basically demotes levy hoplites from useful line infantry to "push to the death" infantry, i haven't tested it against the Romanoi or barbaroi factions yet, but i suspect it will fair the same.

Oh and one more thing, don't put guard mode on Makedonian phalanxes, it'll just ruin you in Phalanx vs Phalanx battles.

Flanking them is easier said than done, for some reason they refused to die/rout when i run my FM into a phalanx's butt, probably because of the opposing general still being alive.

Did you use Guard mode on when you get attacked? If not, well, they are just going not to guard the spot and try to kill them.
Vartan already confirmed this in his paper; if you want to win in a Phalx. v. Phalx. combat, don't use guard mode

AND

From the OP:

NOTE # 2: Guard mode is no longer necessary! You do not need it. You fight better without it and can still keep a cohesive formation. Also, you no longer need to stand still and receive a charge. Hoplites now deliver a crushing charge and will maintain formation while (and after) doing so. Thanks to Barrabas for pointing this out.

~Jirisys (PUSH TO THE DEATH!!!!!!)

[Vaginacles]

Well i put on guard mode when facing Greek Phalanxes, expecting that my formation would keep the greek hoplites at bay, but they actually use their weight now. Against Makedonian phalanx, i don't use guard at all