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Everyone likes a riot. *appropriate smilie I can't be bothered to find*
But on a more serious note, what exactly are they angry at? Do they plan on funding Uni's with money that doesn't exist?
But on a more serious note, what exactly are they angry at? Do they plan on funding Uni's with money that doesn't exist?
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
Do they plan on funding Uni's with money that doesn't exist?
Take it from the elderly, after all it's their fault we're in this mess. You could do it in a sneaky way though, with a special tax on After Eight for example....Do they plan on funding Uni's with money that doesn't exist?
Or the military, that's also a pure expense. But trying to save money by cutting investments as opposed to expenses is idiotic.
Whoever caused the problem, it doesn't change the fact we have to deal with it now. How would we punish the elderly instead... they've got it bad enough already I think.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
Whoever caused the problem, it doesn't change the fact we have to deal with it now. How would we punish the elderly instead... they've got it bad enough already I think.
The elderly will have to learn that there are consequences to their actions, there is no get out of jail card in real life.Whoever caused the problem, it doesn't change the fact we have to deal with it now. How would we punish the elderly instead... they've got it bad enough already I think.
Meh, my Gran gets a pension of something like £90 a week, I'm not going to get upset because some student can't get another x thousands funding so he can party for another year.
Man I am in a confrontational mood today, but really, University is a joke, don't know if you read my Frontroom thread a few days ago.
Man I am in a confrontational mood today, but really, University is a joke, don't know if you read my Frontroom thread a few days ago.
Cutting uni funding is like trying to save money by saving gas and staying home instead of driving to work. It's pure nonsense.
EDIT: Yeah, who needs teachers, engineers, nurses, etc etc....
EDIT: Yeah, who needs teachers, engineers, nurses, etc etc....
Depends on what they are studying at Uni. If it is a useful profession, and will help train them for a position that the job-market has a demand for, then what you say it true.
But with things like teachers etc... we have so many of them it is ridiculous, many are now having to work for nothing just to get a foot in the school system. And that's not even going into courses like Sports Medicine or Media Studies or whatever.
But with things like teachers etc... we have so many of them it is ridiculous, many are now having to work for nothing just to get a foot in the school system. And that's not even going into courses like Sports Medicine or Media Studies or whatever.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
But with things like teachers etc... we have so many of them it is ridiculous, many are now having to work for nothing just to get a foot in the school system. And that's not even going into courses like Sports Medicine or Media Studies or whatever.
Send 'em over here then, there's a critical need for teachers over here... Which is the primary reason I chose to be one above the other stuff that interested me a few years ago.But with things like teachers etc... we have so many of them it is ridiculous, many are now having to work for nothing just to get a foot in the school system. And that's not even going into courses like Sports Medicine or Media Studies or whatever.
I can basically pick and choose where and what I want to work with. And it'll only get worse in the future, much of the teaching staff is aging and due to retire over the next few years... IIRC we'll have a shortage of around 10.000 teachers in five years, even though recruitment is going up.
Your gran gets £90,- state handout a week? When I studied I could only claim €75,- a month and I am expected to pay that back in due course. Where are those thousands you speak of Rhyfelwyr? <_<
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Send 'em over here then, there's a critical need for teachers over here... Which is the primary reason I chose to be one above the other stuff that interested me a few years ago.
I can basically pick and choose where and what I want to work with. And it'll only get worse in the future, much of the teaching staff is aging and due to retire over the next few years... IIRC we'll have a shortage of around 10.000 teachers in five years, even though recruitment is going up.
Norway routinely cordons off skilled professions with red tape etc to prevent such use of skilled foreign labour your unions would never allow it.Send 'em over here then, there's a critical need for teachers over here... Which is the primary reason I chose to be one above the other stuff that interested me a few years ago.
I can basically pick and choose where and what I want to work with. And it'll only get worse in the future, much of the teaching staff is aging and due to retire over the next few years... IIRC we'll have a shortage of around 10.000 teachers in five years, even though recruitment is going up.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Send 'em over here then, there's a critical need for teachers over here... Which is the primary reason I chose to be one above the other stuff that interested me a few years ago.
I can basically pick and choose where and what I want to work with. And it'll only get worse in the future, much of the teaching staff is aging and due to retire over the next few years... IIRC we'll have a shortage of around 10.000 teachers in five years, even though recruitment is going up.
So we educate them and you profit?Send 'em over here then, there's a critical need for teachers over here... Which is the primary reason I chose to be one above the other stuff that interested me a few years ago.
I can basically pick and choose where and what I want to work with. And it'll only get worse in the future, much of the teaching staff is aging and due to retire over the next few years... IIRC we'll have a shortage of around 10.000 teachers in five years, even though recruitment is going up.
Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios:
Your gran gets £90,- state handout a week? When I studied I could only claim €75,- a month and I am expected to pay that back in due course. Where are those thousands you speak of Rhyfelwyr? <_<
It's a pension so she presumably contributed some herself. Anyway, I get less than that, the point is you can still work when you are at Uni. And it's the education itself that costs thousands.Your gran gets £90,- state handout a week? When I studied I could only claim €75,- a month and I am expected to pay that back in due course. Where are those thousands you speak of Rhyfelwyr? <_<
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy:
Norway routinely cordons off skilled professions with red tape etc to prevent such use of skilled foreign labour your unions would never allow it.
Yes....... Like how we don't have any foreign doctors, nurses, carpenters, etc etc........Norway routinely cordons off skilled professions with red tape etc to prevent such use of skilled foreign labour your unions would never allow it.
And that's ignoring the fact that as a fellow EU-member, we cannot ban Brits.
What we do is demand that foreign workers are paid the same as a Norweigan worker. Are you able to name a profession we have "cordoned off"...?
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
So we educate them and you profit?
Don't worry, there are plenty of Norwegians looking to work in the UK as well, that's a little thing I like to call an "exchange" So we educate them and you profit?
Enter the Bank now fairly soon with American style college loans in Britain and Ireland.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
I get less than that, the point is you can still work when you are at Uni. And it's the education itself that costs thousands.
True, education is expensive. I was just wondering where the thousands came from.I get less than that, the point is you can still work when you are at Uni. And it's the education itself that costs thousands.
However I would submit that Universities only get a small portion of their funding through state subsidy or grants or similar programmes; at least the uni I went to acquires rather more funds through applied research (typically funded by private enterprises) or through spin offs of successful research projects.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Yes....... Like how we don't have any foreign doctors, nurses, carpenters, etc etc........
And that's ignoring the fact that as a fellow EU-member, we cannot ban Brits.
What we do is demand that foreign workers are paid the same as a Norweigan worker. Are you able to name a profession we have "cordoned off"...?
Don't worry, there are plenty of Norwegians looking to work in the UK as well, that's a little thing I like to call an "exchange"
Eh Norway isnt in the EUYes....... Like how we don't have any foreign doctors, nurses, carpenters, etc etc........
And that's ignoring the fact that as a fellow EU-member, we cannot ban Brits.
What we do is demand that foreign workers are paid the same as a Norweigan worker. Are you able to name a profession we have "cordoned off"...?
Don't worry, there are plenty of Norwegians looking to work in the UK as well, that's a little thing I like to call an "exchange"
and your only covered to work in Norway's oil and gas industry unless you do Norways safety courses yet OPITO courses cover everyone else trust me I checked.
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy:
Eh Norway isnt in the EU
As far as working in Norway is concerned: yes, we are.Eh Norway isnt in the EU
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Don't worry, there are plenty of Norwegians looking to work in the UK as well, that's a little thing I like to call an "exchange"
So suddenly we're a fan of the free market and the free movement of labour?Don't worry, there are plenty of Norwegians looking to work in the UK as well, that's a little thing I like to call an "exchange"
The only way to close the funding gap that is fair is to cut places and close universities. Take the bottom 20% of Uni's, close, sell off their buildings and return their funding to more worthy institutions, cut places at other Universities by 30% and you're done.
Those clever enough to get a place will, those who aren't won't. If you really want it you can keep applying until someone takes you. While we're at it, we should tripple the workload of the average undergraduate, they spend far too much time drinking and partying right now.
Those clever enough to get a place will, those who aren't won't. If you really want it you can keep applying until someone takes you. While we're at it, we should tripple the workload of the average undergraduate, they spend far too much time drinking and partying right now.
To be honest I dont see why they couldnt just shrink all those arts degrees down to two years etc.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
While we're at it, we should tripple the workload of the average undergraduate.
Try it and that'll be me smashing into the Conservative offices next time!While we're at it, we should tripple the workload of the average undergraduate.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
Try it and that'll be me smashing into the Conservative offices next time!
Tell me Rhyfelwyr what colour was Rachel Rileys skirt today??? bah students in arts courses have loads of timeTry it and that'll be me smashing into the Conservative offices next time!
When 5% go to uni it's sustainable for the government to fund it.
When 50% go to uni it's not.
That's 3 years lost taxes for those that should have jobs, and no, people are not vastly cleverer. There are just more crap degrees and teh standard for jobs is artificially raised to a BSc / BA as so many people have one.
When 50% go to uni it's not.
That's 3 years lost taxes for those that should have jobs, and no, people are not vastly cleverer. There are just more crap degrees and teh standard for jobs is artificially raised to a BSc / BA as so many people have one.
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy:
Tell me Rhyfelwyr what colour was Rachel Rileys skirt today??? bah students in arts courses have loads of time
I was much too busy vegetating in front of my PC today, have to say I missed Countdown. And Deal or no Deal! And that funny programme they now have on BBC about the Canadian mounty that solves crimes in New York. It is so funny, I thought it couldn't get better than Doctor Sloan gliding aroud Community General in his rollerskates and telling criminals how he solves their crimes while tap-dancing with them, but this goes the extra mile.Tell me Rhyfelwyr what colour was Rachel Rileys skirt today??? bah students in arts courses have loads of time
Fair point about the degree length, the BBC did an article on just that matter recently, can't find it now though. 2 years would have been more than enough for what I've had to do.
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
I was much too busy vegetating in front of my PC today, have to say I missed Countdown. And Deal or no Deal! And that funny programme they now have on BBC about the Canadian mounty that solves crimes in New York. It is so funny, I thought it couldn't get better than Doctor Sloan gliding aroud Community General in his rollerskates and telling criminals how he solves their crimes while tap-dancing with them, but this goes the extra mile.
Due SouthI was much too busy vegetating in front of my PC today, have to say I missed Countdown. And Deal or no Deal! And that funny programme they now have on BBC about the Canadian mounty that solves crimes in New York. It is so funny, I thought it couldn't get better than Doctor Sloan gliding aroud Community General in his rollerskates and telling criminals how he solves their crimes while tap-dancing with them, but this goes the extra mile.
Years ago RTE used show that Diagnosis Murder and I specifically remember an episode with an actual vampire in it
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr:
Try it and that'll be me smashing into the Conservative offices next time!
yeah if horetore did that, you might have do the half average workload of a real degree.Try it and that'll be me smashing into the Conservative offices next time!
The University funding issue highlights a bigger problem with the state system as a whole. Although popular belief will tell us that since the 80s, the public sector has been cut back more and more, this isn't the case. Relative state spending has gone up, it happened even under Thatcher, the problem is demand on the state is so great that demand simply exceeds availability of resources with in the state my model.
R.E universities, my personal solution would be to cut the number of places drastically. That doesn't mean that people can't go to university, how about we just adopt a different system. Those who want to go to proper universities can go when they're 18 and those who would normally go to a former polly can postpone their education for a couple of years. If they genuine need the skills from a university course, they can go back and study part-time later on and who knows, maybe even their employer might support them.
Point being it's wrong that so many people should start their lives crippled by debt, it only leads to a vicious cycle of repayments and life long debt. University can be free for those who need it, we do however need to fundamentally change our system before we end up at the awful American mode.
R.E universities, my personal solution would be to cut the number of places drastically. That doesn't mean that people can't go to university, how about we just adopt a different system. Those who want to go to proper universities can go when they're 18 and those who would normally go to a former polly can postpone their education for a couple of years. If they genuine need the skills from a university course, they can go back and study part-time later on and who knows, maybe even their employer might support them.
Point being it's wrong that so many people should start their lives crippled by debt, it only leads to a vicious cycle of repayments and life long debt. University can be free for those who need it, we do however need to fundamentally change our system before we end up at the awful American mode.
Originally Posted by tibilicus:
R.E universities, my personal solution would be to cut the number of places drastically. That doesn't mean that people can't go to university, how about we just adopt a different system. Those who want to go to proper universities can go when they're 18 and those who would normally go to a former polly can postpone their education for a couple of years. If they genuine need the skills from a university course, they can go back and study part-time later on and who knows, maybe even their employer might support them.
If UK is anything like Ireland then employers basically demanded the Pollytechnics etc become something more to supply more maintainence technicians and masses of engineers, draughtsmen etc for the "Smart Economy"R.E universities, my personal solution would be to cut the number of places drastically. That doesn't mean that people can't go to university, how about we just adopt a different system. Those who want to go to proper universities can go when they're 18 and those who would normally go to a former polly can postpone their education for a couple of years. If they genuine need the skills from a university course, they can go back and study part-time later on and who knows, maybe even their employer might support them.
Uni's can be poor at supplying these types of people for industry at least in UK/Ireland
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy:
Due South
Years ago RTE used show that Diagnosis Murder and I specifically remember an episode with an actual vampire in it
lol, I remember that episode as well! I always wondered what would happen if they did something like that in an otherwise reality based TV show... Dick van Dyke is the man. Due South
Years ago RTE used show that Diagnosis Murder and I specifically remember an episode with an actual vampire in it
Originally Posted by Beskar:
yeah if horetore did that, you might have do the half average workload of a real degree.
A bit of jealousy there methinks. Anyway, I am doing real degree, at a real Uni, that will get me a real job. With a real two hours classes a week. Ha!yeah if horetore did that, you might have do the half average workload of a real degree.
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