The only way to close the funding gap that is fair is to cut places and close universities. Take the bottom 20% of Uni's, close, sell off their buildings and return their funding to more worthy institutions, cut places at other Universities by 30% and you're done.
Those clever enough to get a place will, those who aren't won't. If you really want it you can keep applying until someone takes you. While we're at it, we should tripple the workload of the average undergraduate, they spend far too much time drinking and partying right now.
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To be honest I dont see why they couldnt just shrink all those arts degrees down to two years etc.
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Actually, this is a much better suggestion. There is not even any point in writing an 800 word paper. The average essay is 2,000 words, which is also far from ideal. Heck, my dissertation is 15,000 words and I wish it was triple that to make all the points I need to.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
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When 5% go to uni it's sustainable for the government to fund it.
When 50% go to uni it's not.
That's 3 years lost taxes for those that should have jobs, and no, people are not vastly cleverer. There are just more crap degrees and teh standard for jobs is artificially raised to a BSc / BA as so many people have one.
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I was much too busy vegetating in front of my PC today, have to say I missed Countdown. And Deal or no Deal! And that funny programme they now have on BBC about the Canadian mounty that solves crimes in New York. It is so funny, I thought it couldn't get better than Doctor Sloan gliding aroud Community General in his rollerskates and telling criminals how he solves their crimes while tap-dancing with them, but this goes the extra mile.
Fair point about the degree length, the BBC did an article on just that matter recently, can't find it now though. 2 years would have been more than enough for what I've had to do.
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They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
The University funding issue highlights a bigger problem with the state system as a whole. Although popular belief will tell us that since the 80s, the public sector has been cut back more and more, this isn't the case. Relative state spending has gone up, it happened even under Thatcher, the problem is demand on the state is so great that demand simply exceeds availability of resources with in the state my model.
R.E universities, my personal solution would be to cut the number of places drastically. That doesn't mean that people can't go to university, how about we just adopt a different system. Those who want to go to proper universities can go when they're 18 and those who would normally go to a former polly can postpone their education for a couple of years. If they genuine need the skills from a university course, they can go back and study part-time later on and who knows, maybe even their employer might support them.
Point being it's wrong that so many people should start their lives crippled by debt, it only leads to a vicious cycle of repayments and life long debt. University can be free for those who need it, we do however need to fundamentally change our system before we end up at the awful American mode.
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lol, I remember that episode as well! I always wondered what would happen if they did something like that in an otherwise reality based TV show... Dick van Dyke is the man.
A bit of jealousy there methinks. Anyway, I am doing real degree, at a real Uni, that will get me a real job. With a real two hours classes a week. Ha!
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They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
'real degree' =
'real Uni' =
'real job' = I don't think KFC comes under that...
Sorry, but at the real universities, there is no two hours per week. There is 2 hours peer week per module at least, and there is usually at least 3 modules. This is no even accounting for all the pre-seminar work, readings and lectures themselves, the hours listed were just seminars. I even asked friends and family members, and they say the same in other universities. So with Oxford (1st), Cambridge (2nd), St Andrews (4th), Lancaster (6th) being accounted... It isn't jealousy, I find it insulting.
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I meant jealous at my lack of a workload, not my Uni.
Anyway, my two hours are for one module. My dissertation counts for my other two this term (3 in total each term over 4 terms in 3rd/4th year. I'm pretty sure Glasgow counts as a real Uni. And I don't plan to build a career in KFC, don't you have a part-time job?
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
Quite a lot of intellectual elitism coming from you Beskar, got to say I'm not impressed. Hate to break it to you but unless you went to Oxford and got a first, then there's always going to be someone claiming that their education is better than yours. What would you define as a real university anyway? As far as hours go as well, that's another poor indicator as hours vary per university and more so per subject. I currently have three hours worth of lectures per week from history (one module) and yet my two politics modules only have 2 hours per week of lectures between them. The work load for both is still the same however, it's just structure. Oh, and before you do bring it up, I do go to a "real" university, if by real you mean Russell group. I personally don't think this is a fair indication of a "real" university though.
What?! I thought international capitalism and the free exchange of labour/goods is what allowed the western bourgeoisie to artificially extend their time in power, even Marx said imperialism gave capitalism a new lease on life. The decadent west thrives on the fruits of the labour of the little boy working in an Indian sweatshop!
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
Pffft what kind of leftist are you?
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
You mean the wishy-washy liberal kind. What happened to the real leftists? The leftists that called for the extermination of ethnic minorities? The leftists that called for prohibition? The leftists that wanted people to work for their share of the fruits of production?
You're just a pick and choose leftist!
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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