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Ok on the first part, re Greek entry into the euro: Did the EU know or not? Should Spain have been allowed to join? Ireland? Portugal? France?
Spain and Ireland: I don't know the decisions and the arguments in detail, but I guess probably so. Spain and Ireland were not highly indebted before the financial crisis. France is doing well enough so far despite that they were often in violation of the Stability criteria from the beginning - I disagree with many of Hollande's ideas but we'll just have to wait and see how that plays out in an objective sense

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On the second part: You appear to wish to deprive me, and all of Europe, of the democratic rights which my forefathers died defending. You seem happy to do this at expense of millions of unemployed Greeks, Spaniards, Portuguese and Italians. Can you justify what gives anyone the right to do this?
No I'm not. You're deliberately misrepresenting my opinions in order to take down strawmen.

The current Italian and Greek governments are legitimate, I've explained this several times before and I'm not going to reiterate the reasons why just because you have a chronic inability to see beyond your pre-conceived notions.

"Your democratic rights" are the last ones which we could call under attack. If your government lacks a mandate from the people to keep the country involved in the EU then you need to sort that out yourself, don't expect Brussels to do that for you.

I do not necessarily agree with the EU policy, in general or in the case of this crisis. An EMU exit might prove inevitable for one or two members but I resist the suggestion that the Euro is solely responsible for each and every problem these countries face and that jumping ship is an easy, painless way out.