Euro Area

[SoFarSoGood]

Spain and Ireland: I don't know the decisions and the arguments in detail, but I guess probably so. Spain and Ireland were not highly indebted before the financial crisis. France is doing well enough so far despite that they were often in violation of the Stability criteria from the beginning - I disagree with many of Hollande's ideas but we'll just have to wait and see how that plays out in an objective sense

Ok... with you until

but I resist the suggestion that the Euro is solely responsible for each and every problem these countries face and that jumping ship is an easy, painless way out.

Because if Spain and Ireland were 'good to join' how then do you account for the Irish and Spanish problems if it nothing to do with the euro? They should be living it up lending money to stupid broke UK who never joined the euro.

No I'm not. You're deliberately misrepresenting my opinions in order to take down strawmen.

Ok, I presume that you deny that Lisbon has anything whatsoever to do with the 'Constitution' so let me ask one simple question: Why did Ireland have to vote twice on Lisbon? Were they all drunk or was some voting irregularity the first time?

The current Italian and Greek governments are legitimate, I've explained this several times before and I'm not going to reiterate the reasons why just because you have a chronic inability to see beyond your pre-conceived notions.

The current Greek Government is legitimate I agree but who in the Italian Cabinet was elected by the people? Ohhh you mean 'Super' Mario was elected by MPs... with a veiled threat of rule by troika behind it. I have heard of this type of 'democracy' but thought it was practised in the Soviet Bloc.

You are defending and apologising for the enslavement of Europe with quasi redefinitions of democracy and such like; "Lisbon isn't the Constitution...we changed bits and the name". Well I'm sorry to offend your sense of definition but it didn't feel like that to those that voted - nor the millions of others who are constantly denied a vote. The times are changing though and the UK will have a vote within the 5/6 years.

Let me give you some news: It will FAIL. If Greece hadn't sacked 1/4 of their senior Military Officers last year there'd already have been a Coup there. There are two ways it can end: Badly and Very Badly. If they allow Greece, Portugal and Spain to leave you get the first option. If they don't you want to hide your EU flag when they come for you.

And that joke that the RT woman uses has been around for years.