QATAR REALLY?

[quadalpha]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

Promising.

[tibilicus]

South Africa, Russia, Qatar. All countries known for their openness and transparent governments. Maybe we should of handed FIFA more brown envelopes?

[Husar]

This thread is entirely not full of prejudices, nonono. Is it really that hard to grasp that some people don't want to see the cup in the same stadiums all the time?
Going by those standards, I would refuse to hold a cup in CCTV-land as well.

[Krusader]

Nice contrast. 2018 awarded to a land whose people can drink others under the table and four years later to the polar opposite :P

Seems like if you want something done you need to use Zidane. And maybe some brown envelopes.

[Rahwana]

Still better than Mecca :lol:

[quadalpha]

This thread is entirely not full of prejudices, nonono. Is it really that hard to grasp that some people don't want to see the cup in the same stadiums all the time?
Going by those standards, I would refuse to hold a cup in CCTV-land as well.

I'm assuming the first sentence is meant in sarcasm. I'll also dispense with replying to your second sentence as its vacuousness should be obvious. Let's examine what is wrong with either the logic or the moral assumptions contained in your argument.

You compare the kind of restrictions of liberty in Qatar with the presence of CCTV in, presumably, England, conveniently ignoring the gulf between monitoring for security and explicit discrimination against homosexuality. You assume that CCTV invades privacy, yet this very invasion of privacy is completely entailed in a state that deems it right to prosecute, convict, and punish people for what they do in private. You accuse the sentiments of this thread of prejudice, while eliding the exact prejudice which the government Qatar exercises as a sovereign right.

Are we to be ashamed of being accused of prejudice against prejudice?

[Husar]

I'm assuming the first sentence is meant in sarcasm. I'll also dispense with replying to your second sentence as its vacuousness should be obvious. Let's examine what is wrong with either the logic or the moral assumptions contained in your argument.

You compare the kind of restrictions of liberty in Qatar with the presence of CCTV in, presumably, England, conveniently ignoring the gulf between monitoring for security and explicit discrimination against homosexuality. You assume that CCTV invades privacy, yet this very invasion of privacy is completely entailed in a state that deems it right to prosecute, convict, and punish people for what they do in private. You accuse the sentiments of this thread of prejudice, while eliding the exact prejudice which the government Qatar exercises as a sovereign right.

Are we to be ashamed of being accused of prejudice against prejudice?

Exactly, Qatar has opened it's loving arms for the world and you seem to assume they're going to beat up and arrest all the visitors or something like that. All the press coverage and attention may actually improve the situation in Qatar, plus noone seemed to care about it until now, I didn't see the huge amount of Backroom topics complaining about human rights abuses in Qatar until the FIFA announcement, now it's a problem all of a sudden because the UK and the USA are jealous.

[Ronin]

as long as they don´t allow vuvuzelas on the stadiums it's all fine by me.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Google-fu reveals the current Qatari leader is promoting liberalisation and despite the laws the death penalty is never actually used for things like apostasy. The people don't look too backwards looking at the video of the crowds celebratig them getting the event.