Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
It is a simple enough question. Where does governments power end?

Where do you draw the line.

If you don't see a law to this effect as an infringement of personal liberty they you may not even know what it is supposed to be and you don't know you lost it.

No one is going to tell you it is a bad thing to ware a seat belt, but should it be a law? Why?

The government is making its self the victim if you injure your self, and you think that is okay?
i think that, atleast now we are discusssing america, people have forgot what democracy actually means (and i know it can be debated that it is actually so in practice) but it is not the goverment vs the people, the people are the government. so it is supposed to be so that the people subject theirself to their own laws and therefor they are free. to say otherwise is to say that telling yourself not to eat a cooky every day is a law which infringes on your personal freedom. and if in the government a law would be made that people wouldnt agree with (such as by extreme: shoot every first person you see on sunday) they have the right, the obligation, to rise up and make such tyranny undone.