To big an Island

[bobbin]

I respect that, but the numbers shown are 68 years distant one another as you already mentioned so it makes it dificult to compare, but I respect your point of view. what I am questioning is in terms of importance! I believe that many other areas were as populated and more important in global terms... I mean isn't there any other region in mediterrain, Egypt, middle or far east that would take advantage of those cities? Not to speak Germania, Greece, Thrace, etc? So What was, lets say... Irelands importance in that time frame, especially in the very begining of it, and let me clarify that I only ask that because I am ignorant in that art of the world history. But I can tell a lot of Sicilian, Iberian, Italian Peninsula and African importance.

We were able to redistribute provinces to the needed areas without having to cut any from the British Isles, simple as that. Also we try not to think of it in global terms, we try to represent each area as well as we can, not choose one over the other.

Ireland was quite important in its local region, it only gets one proper region though, the rest is part of the Eremos province, to represent the difficulty of controlling parts of the island (the highlands of Scotland also get this treatment).

[WinsingtonIII]

Ireland was quite important in its local region, it only gets one proper region though, the rest is part of the Eremos province, to represent the difficulty of controlling parts of the island (the highlands of Scotland also get this treatment).

Where is the Eremos province (I'm guessing it's an inaccessible province in the Sahara or something)? Does this essentially mean that no one will ever actually control parts of Scotland and Ireland?

[vartan]

Where is the Eremos province (I'm guessing it's an inaccessible province in the Sahara or something)? Does this essentially mean that no one will ever actually control parts of Scotland and Ireland?

You've heard of the word hermit. It comes from the Greek eremos. Refresh my memory if I don't recall correctly, but it would refer to the men who would take retreats in Arabia. In-game Eremos would therefore correspond to the vast Arabian desert contained on three sides by the Arabian coastal regions.

[bobbin]

Where is the Eremos province (I'm guessing it's an inaccessible province in the Sahara or something)? Does this essentially mean that no one will ever actually control parts of Scotland and Ireland?

The Eremos province is the large unconquerable province in EB that made up the Sahara and centre of the Arabian pennisula. In EBII it has been expanded to include the northern regions of the Russian steppe, inland Scandinavia, western Ireland and northern Scotland.

Eremos translated as "desert" or "wilderness" by the way.

[ziegenpeter]

Why is there actually a need for these void regions? why cant they be part of the regions next to them? to simulate foreign territory for the faction who owns the neighbouring regions? of course I am not talking about the terhazza region.

[B-Wing]

I think it has to do with the AI, though I'm not sure how or why it works better that way.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I think it has to do with the AI, though I'm not sure how or why it works better that way.

At least in EB prior to Dumatha being scrapped, the Saba would end up at war with the Ptolemaioi/AS at inopportune moments due to the AI's tendency to attack anything (among those bordering rebel provinces, of which Dumatha would be one for the AS right from the start). As a side effect of removing the Dumatha province, merging it with Eremos, there is a big slab of “nothing” that tends to work quite well in preventing stacks of AS/Ptolemaioi armies wandering around in the Arabian deserts.

[Ca Putt]

I'm not to aquainted with the mechanics that dertermin the ethnicity of Eleutheroi troops, so just hope that we won't see any irish folks in the sahara :D

[bobbin]

Why is there actually a need for these void regions? why cant they be part of the regions next to them? to simulate foreign territory for the faction who owns the neighbouring regions? of course I am not talking about the terhazza region.

Because these were areas that no one ever exerted influence over or even tried to. Your proposal would also lead to unrealistically large provinces which is also something we don't want.

I'm not certain but I also think rebel armies spawn more often in rebel provinces, which is a good representation of raiders from these isolated regions causing problems on the fringes of you empire.

[Ludens]

Why is there actually a need for these void regions? why cant they be part of the regions next to them? to simulate foreign territory for the faction who owns the neighbouring regions?

For the same reason as the Terhazza region. These are not "foreign territory" but sparsely inhabited wilderness: difficult to control and not worth conquering anyway. I am not sure why western Ireland is included, though. Was it still unsettled at this point? Or do you simply want to create another point of resistance for the Pritanoi?

[WinsingtonIII]

The Eremos province is the large unconquerable province in EB that made up the Sahara and centre of the Arabian pennisula. In EBII it has been expanded to include the northern regions of the Russian steppe, inland Scandinavia, western Ireland and northern Scotland.

Eremos translated as "desert" or "wilderness" by the way.

Thanks for the answer!

Yeah, I looked up eremos and got desert, which is why my guess was the Sahara, but I guess that does make sense to just use one province slot for all of the unconquerable wilderness areas of the time.

[vartan]

Yeah, I looked up eremos and got desert, which is why my guess was the Sahara, but I guess that does make sense to just use one province slot for all of the unconquerable wilderness areas of the time.

It's Computer Science. Kill more than two birds with one stone.

[Leão magno]

... Also we try not to think of it in global terms, we try to represent each area as well as we can, not choose one over the other.

Ok! But how do you manage to think in regional terms and not in global while facing the games shortage of region slots? I always believed that to better represent the map you were looking from a global perspective and not regional ones, after all, greece for example, would have the need of more cities (regions) than many other places if we consider them in the regional terms, after all there were lots of regional important city-states. As far as I understand, the only way to deal with the limited number of regions e choosing wich regions wil be portraited and I believed that the choice was done considering many itens, including importance of the place in that given time, importance considering the factions presented, importance in terms of gameplay, etc; anyway, do not let me bother you with this curiosity and personal opinion EB is just great.