'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repealed

[Fisherking]

If it works, then there is not reason women can not serve in combat units if they want to, either.

My objections came from a particular experience when part of the command group with a joint taskforce in the field. (Army, Air Force, & Marine Corps)

I don’t mean gay sex, just sex in general. We had examples of both, naturally.

I have no idea whither it was the high stress of operations coupled with living outdoors and in close contact with others or just the element of danger but it did impact the mission.

There were numerous incidents of unwanted sexual advances involving both rank and file and the leadership, male and female. There were incidents of sex during operations, some in very dangerous situations.

It had an effect on both moral and resources.

Of course all these things were against regulations at the time also, but it made little difference.

Most of it was covered up as much as possible but it was a real problem.

Straight sex caused the biggest commotion but gay sex had the largest impact on security.

I am certainly not anti-sex, and could care less about the sex life of others, even in tents or curled in sleeping bags, but on duty when it makes more work for others and endangers the mission and the lives of others it is a different matter.

You can say what you want about regulations. They don’t stop the behavior, they just punish those caught.

It is all very funny when you are sitting some place safe and secure but when your life depends on those supposedly walking the perimeter it is a whole different story.

I hope the change has little or no effect on the armed forces. It is just that my opinions have been colored by some negative experiences.

[Strike For The South]

Vuks posts in this thread have made me rethink universial sovrigenty

[Louis VI the Fat]

my opinions have been colored by some negative experiences.

Dude I'm sorry you've had some lousy gay sex experience. With your perimeter breached, I hope you didn't get penetrated.


Don't let it undermine your morale. You know what you could do next time there are frictions in your group? You should have a sing-along together!!

[Strike For The South]

Dude I'm sorry you've had some lousy buttsex.

He's not the one you should be aplogizing to, mon cher

[Banquo's Ghost]

Dude I'm sorry you've had some lousy gay sex experience. With your perimeter breached, I hope you didn't get penetrated.

Don't let it undermine your morale. You know what you could do next time there are frictions in your group? You should have a sing-along together!!

You simply can't make that assumption about Fisherking. You don't known him well enough. Like me, you have yet to penetrate his intimate circle.

[JAG]

Just thought I would say - about time and why the hell did it take a lame duck session to get it through... But nevermind, I tip my hat to The States and their continual progress on the social front - quite a remarkable transformation in the last 70 odd years.

Also, geeze PJ - I haven't been here for a while and I come back to peruse; and you are espousing arguments which can only be described as 'spot on'. What happened? ;) (I jest, I jest!)

[Louis VI the Fat]

America's finest have always resented discrimination. Therefore the army has not been welcome on recruit on Ivy league campuses. Now that the army has repealed DADT, the army can recruit from America's brightest minds again.

The army being welcome to recruit from America's elite again ought to more than compensate a few hicks leaving for fear of being recruited by teh gays.

Reserve Officers' Training Corps about to make a comeback at elite universities? Some top schools kicked ROTC off campuses during the Vietnam War, and have kept it off since, citing the military's policy on gays. Now that Congress has repealed "Don't Ask Don't Tell," the Ivy League is considering participating once again. But is the military even interested?

It doesn't make a lot of sense to set up an ROTC program where few students will join up, The New York Times' Tamar Lewin and Anemona Hartocollis report. Right now, Harvard has only 19 students participating in ROTC programs at nearby schools. Columbia has six. Yale has four. Brown has just one. Yale's president said his university is interested in offering more opportunities for students interested in the military, but it's not "a foregone conclusion," the Times reports, that ROTC will come back.

• One Small Step Bringing ROTC to the Ivy League, Commentary's Max Boot notes, "will not make much of a change in either the Ivy League or the military, but it is a small, welcome step toward bridging the chasm that separates the armed forces from society's elites."

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opini...-Make-Up-6294/

(Although personally I'd insist the army must stay well clear of any university I'm employed at. It can recruit, but ought not to be physically present)

[a completely inoffensive name]

This might be something controversial to say, but I don't want the brightest from Harvard to be recruited. I want them to be going to West Point or Annapolis where their intelligence can be used to the most capacity, not as a soldier on the ground.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

(Although personally I'd insist the army must stay well clear of any university I'm employed at. It can recruit, but ought not to be physically present)

Whyever not? Surely there are job fairs and the like where their presence would be appropriate? I don't know of any universitys with their own recruiting office full-time on site, but where is the harm here?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Whyever not? Surely there are job fairs and the like where their presence would be appropriate? I don't know of any universitys with their own recruiting office full-time on site, but where is the harm here?

A job fair is fine. Permanently present information is fine too. What is not fine, is a permanent physical presence of the army, especially for a university with a campus. (As is so often the case in the US, where universities are so often located in the countryside on large campuses. In contrast to Europe, where universities are commonly located in university towns or, most to my liking, exist as part of the fabric of a city large enough to not be dominated by a university).


This is what I mean. One of those southern megacampuses, not readily distuingishable from a barracks. It is all much too protofascist for me.

[Fragony]

It's a military academy what do you expect, nothing fascist about. I also dislike the campus-concept though. Utrecht is a nice example of a university-town, it's spread over the entire historical-centre. And the factory that is the soulless 'Uithof' but centre is really nice, always activity.

[Louis VI the Fat]

It's a military academy what do you expect, nothing fascist about.

No it isn't. It is Texas A&M University, the oldest and largest Texas university. It's just that it looks like a military campus to European eyes. The army is integrated into the campus life to an extent unthinkable in Western Europe, from scholarships to physical presence of training cadets.
http://www.tamu.edu/

Make your officer training part of your curriculum:
http://www.armyrotc.com/edu/txam/index.htm

[Fragony]

No it isn't. It is Texas A&M University, the oldest and largest Texas university. It's just that it looks like a military campus to European eyes. The army is integrated into the campus life to an extent unthinkable in Western Europe, from scholarships to physical presence of training cadets.
http://www.tamu.edu/

Make your officer training part of your curriculum:
http://www.armyrotc.com/edu/txam/index.htm

I see. But just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad. Don't get the appeal but I get rashes from authority, 'You aren't allowed to do that' tends to bring up my inner mule. If they want military discipline power to them. Barrack communities are also unthinkable here.

For enjoyment http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&source...XFEWLYZnikIeVQ

[Vladimir]

This is what I mean. One of those southern megacampuses, not readily distuingishable from a barracks. It is all much too protofascist for me.

Louis,

It's Texas. A couple of college kids in iniform makes you think that?

[HoreTore]

What part of that movie is NOT gayer than Freddie Mercury....?

[Strike For The South]

Meh, A&M is a very special case and even then the # of people enrolled in the cadets is dropping like silk underwear on prom night (much to the chargrin of the old ags, but those guys are back ass hicks)

In any case it is not the Largest Texas university, that would be UT-Austin and the UT system dwarfs A&M by about 10-1.

In any case both schools suck

[drone]

A&M is one of six Senior Military Colleges in the country. The cadet corp is an integral part of the campus, but it's not exclusive like VMI and the Citadel. At other non-SMC colleges and universities, ROTC is a lot less visible (unless you are staggering home through campus early in the morning )

[Strike For The South]

A&M is one of six Senior Military Colleges in the country. The cadet corp is an integral part of the campus, but it's not exclusive like VMI and the Citadel. At other non-SMC colleges and universities, ROTC is a lot less visible (unless you are staggering home through campus early in the morning )

Yea the ROTC here at Tech is not serious at all.

Even the ags know most kids now use it as an easy way to get into the school and the non-regs on campus treat them pretty disrepectfully and they are the butt of many jokes

[Sigurd]

This thread had me reminiscence about boot camp way back when.. I had a crush on our chief petty officer Halvorsen, and so did the majority of my platoon.
Those intense and commanding eyes and Prussian bearing made men out of young boys. We were the lapdogs of a magnificent soldier with a gold band on sleeves.
I was hand picked by this dark eyed beauty to represent our platoon at the NCO training. It was hard to say no to this person, so I accepted and became eventually an acting petty officer and a few years later ensign.
Many of my contemporary soldiers sigh when thinking of chief petty officer Halvorsen and her Pocahontas looks.

[Vladimir]

This thread had me reminiscence about boot camp way back when.. I had a crush on our chief petty officer Halvorsen, and so did the majority of my platoon.
Those intense and commanding eyes and Prussian bearing made men out of young boys. We were the lapdogs of a magnificent soldier with a gold band on sleeves.
I was hand picked by this dark eyed beauty to represent our platoon at the NCO training. It was hard to say no to this person, so I accepted and became eventually an acting petty officer and a few years later ensign.
Many of my contemporary soldiers sigh when thinking of chief petty officer Halvorsen and her Pocahontas looks.

Given the subject of the thread, if found this amusing.

It's a pity you had to put "her" in the last sentence.

[HoreTore]

Given the subject of the thread, if found this amusing.

It's a pity you had to put "her" in the last sentence.

Sigurd is a married man, he isn't ready to come out yet.... Just wait a couple of years

[Crazed Rabbit]

No it isn't. It is Texas A&M University, the oldest and largest Texas university. It's just that it looks like a military campus to European eyes. The army is integrated into the campus life to an extent unthinkable in Western Europe, from scholarships to physical presence of training cadets.
http://www.tamu.edu/

Rather intolerant of differences, aren't you?

Seriously, this seems to be taking a difference in culture from a bad perspective.

CR

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Meh, A&M is a very special case and even then the # of people enrolled in the cadets is dropping like silk underwear on prom night (much to the chargrin of the old ags, but those guys are back ass hicks)

In any case it is not the Largest Texas university, that would be UT-Austin and the UT system dwarfs A&M by about 10-1.

In any case both schools suck

Where shall I send my second to call on you sir? You besmirch my alma mater and such cannot be unanswered.