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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim View Post
    no, it just means it's not atm happening.

    I take it you're Armenian? if so, it is possible you and a gang of your friends might take the time to do it

    of course, you'd have to make sure it's 2,300 year old armenian.
    Armenian alphabet was invented in the early 5th century AD. The earliest Armenian that is written down dates from this time, and this classical Armenian is preserved in the Armenian Church.

    Just curiouse the Gaelic and Germanic that is spoken in the game is that 2,300 year old Germanic and Gaelic? if so how was that figured out since both those cultures didnt have a writing system.

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    Lightbulb Re: Hai Sound Mod for EB-1.2

    For the record: Gaelic refers to the Celtic languages spoken in Britain, not Gaul. The term you are looking for is Gallic.

    The team has created Celtic and Germanic voicemods based on reconstructions of the languages. Especially the Germanic one is highly speculative. It is assumed there were several "branches" of the Celtic language in EB's time already: the three Celtic factions of EB1 use Gallic (P-Celtic), but a few Briton units were supposed to get a Q-Celtic voicemod. I am not sure if they ever got round to doing that. Incidentally, the Celts of southern Gaul did have writing systems: they used Greek signs and IIRC an alphabet of their own as well.

    As a note of caution: the Armenian alphabet may date back to 5th century AD, but you cannot assume that pronunciation hasn't in changed since then. Unless it has been completely cut off from the outside world, a language will always be changing. And, obviously, before a language is "centralized" (by having an alphabet and uniform spelling) it will vary a lot over time and space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludens View Post
    For the record: Gaelic refers to the Celtic languages spoken in Britain, not Gaul. The term you are looking for is Gallic.

    The team has created Celtic and Germanic voicemods based on reconstructions of the languages. Especially the Germanic one is highly speculative. It is assumed there were several "branches" of the Celtic language in EB's time already: the three Celtic factions of EB1 use Gallic (P-Celtic), but a few Briton units were supposed to get a Q-Celtic voicemod. I am not sure if they ever got round to doing that. Incidentally, the Celts of southern Gaul did have writing systems: they used Greek signs and IIRC an alphabet of their own as well.

    As a note of caution: the Armenian alphabet may date back to 5th century AD, but you cannot assume that pronunciation hasn't in changed since then. Unless it has been completely cut off from the outside world, a language will always be changing. And, obviously, before a language is "centralized" (by having an alphabet and uniform spelling) it will vary a lot over time and space.
    Ofcourse the pronunciations have changed. The Armenian Church conducts services in Classical Armenian which is the Armenian language of atleast the 4th century AD. There need be no speculations or reconstructions of how the language must have sounded back then. The Armenian spoken of atleast the 4th century AD exists today through its preservation by the church. Interesting note untill the 19th century AD Armenian books were being written in Classical Armenian even though the people were speaking modern Armenian.
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    If we have the manpower, we may try this for EB:NOM - but that's far down the list of priorities right now.
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    Default Re: Hai Sound Mod for EB-1.2

    Quote Originally Posted by Ludens View Post
    As a note of caution: the Armenian alphabet may date back to 5th century AD, but you cannot assume that pronunciation hasn't in changed since then. Unless it has been completely cut off from the outside world, a language will always be changing. And, obviously, before a language is "centralized" (by having an alphabet and uniform spelling) it will vary a lot over time and space.
    Armenian of today has all but one sound from EB's time (we're talking "official", not vernacular dialects), and that would be the first consonant sound in how most people would pronounce the English word 'water'. The letter that corresponded to the 'w' sound now corresponds to the 'v' sound, as in the first sound in 'villain'.

    EDIT: In summary, you're looking at morphological differences between then and now, not a problem with pronunciation. And those morphological differences are known, thankfully (before the Armenian alphabet the Armenians used the Greek alphabet, among others, and haven't lost the consonant sounds that have become lost or archaic in languages like Greek; e.g., the voiceless velar fricative, Greek X).
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    Lightbulb Re: Hai Sound Mod for EB-1.2

    Interesting. I know that Church Latin has diverged considerably from the original despite it being used solely as religious and scholarly language. For example: when Catharine of Aragon arrived in England to marry the crown prince they could not understand one another's Latin. Of course the situation is not equivalent since Latin was used only by non-native speakers that came from many different backgrounds. On the other hand the fact that Latin was a purely non-native language meant there could be no "contamination" by changes in the original language.
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    Haha, you'd be surprised is all I could say. I usually find the hypotheses that under certain conditions, languages certainly change or certainly don't change to be false. There are so many factors, that I think the changes or lack of changes becomes unpredictable. As for other peoples using another people's tongue and holding onto it eventually as a scholarly language, I don't see how changes could not occur. After all, the Latin we know isn't what one would hear on the streets of Rome, is what I've heard.
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