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    Barack Obama calls France America's strongest ally.

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    The Obama administration is not known for its pro-British track record, but this is by far the strongest indication yet that the current White House has little regard for the Special Relationship and its unique role in modern American history. At a White House photo opportunity with French President Nicolas Sarkozy today, recorded by C-Span (view the video at 2:45 for the remark), President Obama had this to say:
    “We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.”
    Quite what the French have done to merit this kind of high praise from the US president is difficult to fathom, and if the White House means what it says this represents an extraordinary sea change in US foreign policy. Nicolas Sarkozy is a distinctly more pro-American president than any of his predecessors, and has been an important ally over issues such as Iran and the War on Terror. But to suggest that Paris and not London is Washington’s strongest partner is simply ludicrous. And rather hypocritical after it was recently revealed that the US Ambassador to France had described Sarkozy as “thin-skinned and authoritarian”.


    The French president himself is no doubt bemused by President Obama’s warm embrace, not least after making clear his own less than flattering views of his US counterpart in the past. As The Times reported in the early months of the Obama presidency, Sarkozy clearly sees Obama as lacking experience and suffering from delusions of grandeur.
    On the US President, Mr Sarkozy said: “Obama has a subtle mind, very clever and very charismatic. But he was elected two months ago and had never run a ministry. There are a certain number of things on which he has no position. And he is not always up to standard on decision-making and efficiency.”
    In another swipe at the American leader, Mr Sarkozy was quoted… making a dubious joke about the Obamania sweeping the European media. According to L’Express news magazine, Mr Sarkozy talked to another set of visitors about Mr Obama’s planned visit to the Normandy beaches in June, Mr Sarkozy said: “I am going to ask him to walk on the Channel and he’ll do it, you’ll see.”
    There is of course no comparison between the extremely close-knit relationship between the United States and Great Britain, from defence and intelligence ties to economic investment and cultural exchange. It is an alliance forged over the course of 70 years, from the beaches of Normandy to the battlefields of Afghanistan. Today in the war against the Taliban there are more than 10,000 British troops fighting alongside their US allies, compared to 3,850 Frenchmen. Nearly 350 British soldiers have laid down their lives in Afghanistan in contrast to French losses of 53.
    These kinds of presidential statements matter. No US president in modern times has described France as America’s closest ally, and such a remark is not only factually wrong but also insulting to Britain, not least coming just a few years after the French famously knifed Washington in the back over the war in Iraq.


    Perhaps the White House would like to confirm that this is what the President of the United States firmly believes, or clarify the comments? Either way, this latest remark from Barack Obama will only further strengthen the impression of a president who is both woefully out of his depth on the world stage, as well as contemptuous of traditional friends and alliances.
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    A revolutionary hero, for centuries a republican inspiration for all Frenchmen, proudly domineering five prestigious avenues in the heart of Paris: George Washington.








    Robert Greene, the United Kingdom football team goalkeeper, left humiliated. Kneeling before his Yank overlords, who defeated him 1-1. On the left the UK left winger (=socialist) Brian Giggs.
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    isnt that lampard?

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    Nah, pretty sure it's Brian Giggs. Or maybe Raul Ferdinand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
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    Brian Giggs is welsh, Rio Ferdinand is of african ancestry, that man is John Terry and Louis wins the prize for "Best Forum Troll of 2011" for that feat.

    Edit: And Robert Green is named "Green", without the e.

    Edit2: And I still don't know why I'm talking Louis' deliberately playing dumb to make some point seriously....

    Edit3: oh my gawd.... I just realized I wrote "Brian" instead of Ryan. Curse you Louis!!!

    Edit4: Ryan Giggs was my first ever football hero. He was the first one I learned the name of. The first name I had on my shirt. The last name I had on a shirt. This relationship, this idolation, my role model, is now desecrated. I feel like crying. I feel violated and dirty. May you rot in the lowwest level of Hell, Louis, there is no earthly punishment hqrd enough for this.
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    Thats John Terry

    Mr Terry is the most French guy on that English team seeing as he likes to go all French with his partners.

    therefore Terry = Socialist
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    Nah Terry and his Chelsea crew are neo-Nazis, everyone knows Chelsea are the far-right team in England. They have a big connection with Rangers are their far-right crew in that sense.

    You'll often see Rangers/Chelsea/Linfield (Norn Iron team) badges displayed together on matches at each of their grounds, each in different corners of either a St. Georges' Cross or the Ulster Banner.
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    Uh guys america's president is making an arse of himself and you're debating over the identity of a poxy footballer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Uh guys america's president is making an arse of himself
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    Another reason to pull out of the 'Special Relationship, and simply another demonstration that the US has no respect in regards to the Sovereignty of the United Kingdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Another reason to pull out of the 'Special Relationship, and simply another demonstration that the US has no respect in regards to the Sovereignty of the United Kingdom.
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    eh terry... thats who i meant. both chelsea players hence the mixup XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Uh guys america's president is making an arse of himself and you're debating over the identity of a poxy footballer?
    Don't worry, this kind of aggrandizement is just an Obama thing. Everything is a "top priority", the "first x" or the "greatest y". Next time he's doing a presser with Cameron the relationship will not only be reaffirmed, but the two countries will be closer than they ever have!

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    the article is a bit biased though... but has a point.

    though im not sure if wether stronger friend is a subsitute for better or closer friend. though in terms of strength perhaps germany would take the lead.
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    They did sell the U.S. a giant block of land and my ancestors for dirt cheep, and Americans are really proud of their consumerist nature...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    Don't worry, this kind of aggrandizement is just an American Presidential thing. Everything is a "top priority", the "first x" or the "greatest y". Next time he's doing a presser with Whoever the relationship will not only be reaffirmed, but the two countries will be closer than they ever have!
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    hey i appreciate britian and the block of allied commonwealths who come with her. (canada, australia, the list goes on and on.)

    yeah obama sounds stupid. The french are no ones friends but their own. no offense louis but they still think they are the center of the world...... id take britian over france any day at least they have proved to us they will give their damndnest and really commit to helping us. some people remember old favors....... god bless the queen

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    I don't see why we are still sitting around talking as if it is 1800 all over again and we must choose either France or England. Friendships wax and wane, same goes for countries. England has been with us through thick and thin for the past 10+ years and they still are, just preoccupied with their own budget problems at the moment. Our relationship was weakened with France because they disagreed with our foreign policy, it doesn't mean that they are not still our ally. You don't have to sign an aggression pact in order to be allies. Now Obama is repairing our relationship with them because it should be repaired after all of us Americans acted like little children about France. Freedom fries? Really? Talk about pettiness. I'm glad he is strengthening our ties.


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    acin is right of course...... no reason you cant be allied with both france and britian. it is just sort of silly to attach value to allyhood (not a word i know) though lets all be honest britian and america are certainly good allies compared to france and america. the support britian has given america in the war is quite laudable.

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    Britain should become the 51st state and stop lurking in our doorway, kicking its feet while looking all bashful and shy. Enough already. We'll take good care of you, Brits. You'll be almost as important as California or Texas.

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    We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people
    Well, technically, that doesn't necessarily mean that France is our strongest ally. If we had other friends/allies of equal strength, there'd still be none stronger than the French, yet neither would the French be stronger than those others. Of course, the whole thing sounds like fairly empty political rhetoric anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Britain should become the 51st state and stop lurking in our doorway, kicking its feet while looking all bashful and shy. Enough already. We'll take good care of you, Brits. You'll be almost as important as California or Texas.
    Almost? Why, the USA will simply be reverting to the days of the colonies when England still paid for the cost of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Another reason to pull out of the 'Special Relationship, and simply another demonstration that the US has no respect in regards to the Sovereignty of the United Kingdom.
    ^ someone who has no idea what the sr REALLY is ^

    it is a technology and intelligence sharing relationship without parallel in the rest of the world, where a junior partner gets wide access to material that it would cost a stupendous fortune to replicate on its own.

    that fact that the "0" man is being a bit of a knob doesn't really come into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Britain should become the 51st state and stop lurking in our doorway, kicking its feet while looking all bashful and shy. Enough already. We'll take good care of you, Brits. You'll be almost as important as California or Texas.
    It also has the laudable effect of ensuring that under your electoral system every POTUS will in future be a brit . That'll show those Frenchies a thing or two.

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    There's no need to flatter the UK as we're already obsessed with making the US happy. France is intransigent and self absorbed and so are likely to respond to flattery in the short term. And flattery is free after all.

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    France is pretty bloody awesome, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justiciar View Post
    France is pretty bloody awesome, though.
    Yeah. Shame about the French...

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    Yeah. Shame about the French...






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