Quote Originally Posted by Ice View Post
First let me start off by saying this is utter nonsense. What kind of fictional, fairy tale world do you live in? I mean, I honestly should have guessed this from your name "noncommunist". Noncommunist? Communism hasn't been a threat for decades, but it guess it easier to see the world in black and white.
Actually, that's just a username I've been using over the past couple years. While I am indeed not a communist, I'm not crusading about it or anything.

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You seem to envision the United States selflessly crusading around the world, without real allies, spreading hope and "freedom" to millions. You are so naive as this government only cares about itself. Very rarely when we do something it is out of the goodness of hearts. Why exactly do you think we did jack **** in Sudan when they were committing genocide? It gets even worse when you talk about doing it without allies. Haven't you learned anything from Iraq? Going in gungho without help is a BAD IDEA. Why don't you volunteer and go fight with the rebels if you want to help. I really am sick wasting money and American lives in third world ****holes where the locals end up hating us, and we install a government that was just as corrupt as the last.
Of course, the US government is not selfless but I'm saying that of anyone, it has the power and maybe the will to actually do something to help the Libyan people. Also, we didn't go in alone in Iraq, we brought in a couple allies who helped to bring down Saddam. Regardless, we could have done it ourselves if we wanted to do so, we're clearly powerful enough to handle a tin pot dictatorship anywhere in the globe. And while some locals have hated us in Iraq, some other locals hated us when we didn't left them to be massacred after Desert Storm. While it's likely that any new government would be be corrupt in some way or another, they're still going to be better than Gadaffi.

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Finally, I could maybe get on the board if this country was prosperous and we had a balanced budget. Your IPOD comment shows me you are clueless about our current situation. How about we forget the IPOD and talk about basic infastructure, education, our budget, and health care. Many of the roads and bridges in this country are in dire need of repair and are outright dangerous. Our schools, for a developed country, are atrocious. Many kids cannot afford a decent college education, and end up settling for a lesser school, or climbing deep in debt. I could go on and on, but I think you are get the point I'm trying to make.
Certainly, those are problems we're trying to fix at this moment. And they are a big deal for Americans. However, compared to anything the Libyans are going through, I don't see how we have much room to complain.

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Libya is none our business. Repeat, none of our business. Let the Libyans deal with Libyan problems, and let Americans deal with American problems. When kids in the city of Detroit can actually get a decent education, when the single mom can provide food and heating for her kids, and when this country is not paying billions in interest a year in servicing a ballooning debt, then we can think about Libya.
We are never going to accomplish all of those goals. Nor will any other country be able to accomplish any similar goals. Should nations be entirely fixated on themselves till forever because they cannot fix every last problem? If that had happened, there probably wouldn't have been an America. France of 1778 was in far worse shape than the US in 2011 and they became our ally which enabled us to become our own nation and helped cause democracy to spread around the world.

And what's so special about any one nation that citizens should only care about fellow citizens? Are we not all human?