Europeans: Is this a game changer?

[Boohugh]

Where is that "small, mobile, modernized force" that we were talking about a few years back, boys??

Are you talking about a European or Russian force? Not that it matters much, both could be called a 'work in progress' .

Edit: Here is a rather interesting article about Russian military doctrine as of 2010 that I found which discusses some of the issues raised in this thread.

[HoreTore]

Except that Russia and China have pretty good relations that will in all probability get even better, just like EU-Russia relations. Bah, no threat there, move along...

Russia = full of natural resources
China = desperate to buy more resources

A war between those two has got to be one of the most unlike scenarios ever. It's much, much more likely that they'll form a block or something together. Why would China want to invade Siberia anyway? What could possibly be gained from such an adventure, considering how it's likely to drain and cripple the nation on the tundra?

[Meneldil]

Everytime Vuk opens a new topic, it makes me wonder. In what kind of alternate reality are you living?


Me thinks someone should stop playing Red Alert and CoD.

[Vuk]

Everytime Vuk opens a new topic, it makes me wonder. In what kind of alternate reality are you living?


Me thinks someone should stop playing Red Alert and CoD.

Two games that I have never played.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Why did Germany invade Poland? Land - because it had the people and needed a place to settle them. Russia has the largest supply of natural resources on the planet earth. This, combined with the fact that they have a small and shrinking population to defend it could make the situation interesting.

Russia is a big and blinking target for a growing, xenophobic and insatiable China. They have never been friendly because nation states are never friendly.

[CBR]

Why did Germany invade Poland? Land - because it had the people and needed a place to settle them.

It was because Hitler wanted Lebensraum, not some pseudo deterministic factor. Germany in 2011, with a higher population and smaller area than in 1939, should be rolling out the panzers soon if it was all about things like population and land.

They have never been friendly because nation states are never friendly.

Nation states? Same states you see in like Europe that seem very friendly? And I guess the improved relations between China and Russia is all a charade before the big yellow storm?

[ICantSpellDawg]

It's a charade.

[Crazed Rabbit]

No, the game hasn't changed.

Also go to war with Russia, over Georgia? You want WWIII, with the threat of nuclear war, for that tiny country?

M. A. D. N. E. S. S.

You seem so obsessed with projecting an image of strength that you forget the whole point of strength - protecting yourself.

Why in the world would China ally with us in such foolishness? And you talk of threatening Europe? Would you point nukes at the whole world to make them do what you want?

As if somehow Russia spending a fraction of what we did bailing out a few banks will make them a military force to be reckoned with. All they can do is beat up on tiny countries like Georgia.

And if they roll over a few smaller countries, the plunder and labour may just give them what they need to be a serious threat.

No, no it won't. This isn't a TW game.

CR

[Louis VI the Fat]

Menendil and Rabbit own this thread. Sanity at last.

[Husar]

No, no it won't. This isn't a TW game.

Actually we Eurowieners are craving the day where we can do slave labour for our heroic soviet overlords, we'll invite them with open arms because we have no spine and stuff.

[Beskar]

Isn't Vuk a Russian-American? Might explain a couple of things.

[Vuk]

Isn't Vuk a Russian-American? Might explain a couple of things.

lol, no Vuk is not. :P He is an Anglo-Sicilian-Norwegian-Irish-Scottish-Native American-African-American. (and that is the simple version :P)

EDIT: I hate Sicilians, I hate the English, I am not proud of my Scottish ancestory, indifferent about the African, don't know enough about the Native American (not even what tribe), only marginally proud of the Irish and Norwegian, so I prefer to simply identify myself as 'American'. :P

[Boohugh]

I hate the English

You and pretty much everyone else!

p.s. you only hate us because you are all just jealous!

[Furunculus]

I hate the English

we'll cope, as you may have noticed were often accused of arrogance........

it is well founded, and permits us scant regard for the concerns of others.

[Vuk]

we'll cope, as you may have noticed were often accused of arrogance........

it is well founded, and permits us scant regard for the concerns of others.

lol, no offense by the way. I did not mean that directed at anyone, simply the history and culture of the country I cannot stand. :P

[gaelic cowboy]

lol, no Vuk is not. :P He is an Anglo-Sicilian-Norwegian-Irish-Scottish-Native American-African-American. (and that is the simple version :P)

EDIT: I hate Sicilians, I hate the English, I am not proud of my Scottish ancestory, indifferent about the African, don't know enough about the Native American (not even what tribe), only marginally proud of the Irish and Norwegian, so I prefer to simply identify myself as 'American'. :P

You "Hate" them jeez hates a strong word for your own family, I feel sorry for you to be honest VUK.

[Vuk]

You "Hate" them jeez hates a strong word for your own family, I feel sorry for you to be honest VUK.

Men are defined by their actions, and not their blood. Therefore I am not bound to the English anymore than I am to a farm animal. I dislike the English for the beliefs and actions; beliefs not held by my current family and actions not taken by them. Also, I don't discriminate against family; if a member of my family is an @$$#0&$, I will tell him to his face and cut off contact with him. Family ties should be emotional and logical, and have nothing to do with blood.

[Furunculus]

lol, no offense by the way. I did not mean that directed at anyone, simply the history and culture of the country I cannot stand. :P

lol, just wanted to get off a wise-crack about arrogant limeys.

on the other hand, the history and culture is precisely the thing about england i do like.

[Greyblades]

Yup we have a history going back to the dark ages, had the largest empire and went toe to toe with allmost everyone in the world. We even won most of the fights! Pity we had to do alot of bad things to get there, but we didnt know/believe they were bad at the time and hey everyone else was doing it too!
Now if only we could do something about the food...

[Vuk]

Yup we have a history going back to the dark ages, had the largest empire and went toe to toe with allmost everyone in the world. We even won most of the fights! Pity we had to do alot of bad things to get there, but we didnt know/believe they were bad at the time and hey everyone else was doing it too!
Now if only we could do something about the food...

And the gals.

[Greyblades]

You my friend have never been to essex.

[Vuk]

You my friend have never been to essex.

I am sure the Essexians are thankful for that. :P

[drone]

Don't they make jokes about East Seaxe girls?

[gaelic cowboy]

Men are defined by their actions, and not their blood. Therefore I am not bound to the English anymore than I am to a farm animal. I dislike the English for the beliefs and actions; beliefs not held by my current family and actions not taken by them. Also, I don't discriminate against family; if a member of my family is an @$$#0&$, I will tell him to his face and cut off contact with him. Family ties should be emotional and logical, and have nothing to do with blood.

But you likely know very little about those people Vuk in order to have 6 ethnicities in your make up before your American you would have to go back 150 yrs.

[Vuk]

But you likely know very little about those people Vuk in order to have 6 ethnicities in your make up before your American you would have to go back 150 yrs.

And what is your point? Just because Italians *#&$ in general does not mean that a given Italian individual *#&$s. Of course judge everyone on an individual basis, but there are ways of thinking that I find deplorable, and I dislike those who think that way.

EDIT: and just because I am related to them does not mean that I have to like them.

[gaelic cowboy]

And what is your point? Just because Italians *#&$ in general does not mean that a given Italian individual *#&$s. Of course judge everyone on an individual basis, but there are ways of thinking that I find deplorable, and I dislike those who think that way.

EDIT: and just because I am related to them does not mean that I have to like them.

Fine

It just seems very strange to me is all.

[Vuk]

Fine

It just seems very strange to me is all.

lol, what? That I do not like my ancestors just because they are related to me? Some of the most loathsome people I have met are relatives.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Fine

It just seems very strange to me is all.

I find it offensive.

If I say, "I hate black people, but you're ok Dave" I'd be tarred and feathered, but Vuk think's it's ok to be racist so long as the race is white.

Not very enlightened.

[Greyblades]

Don't they make jokes about East Seaxe girls?

Yep


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[HoreTore]

lol, just wanted to get off a wise-crack about arrogant limeys.

on the other hand, the history and culture is precisely the thing about england i do like.

I find it highly unlikely that you, or anyone else for that matter, likes the puddings....

Also, is Dave black?