Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
I know what you get at.

However, with the culmination of the atoning sacrifice - a new order was established, led not by the priests of the pharisees or the Sadducee, but by the disciples. A group that would be known as Christians. You could say that this was the reorganized pre-Moses church - if you consider the whole christian history (Adam -> Christ). But for simplicity - let's focus on the organization established by Christ in the flesh. Hence 33AD. The one that every 'Christian' looks to for origin. To go beyond this point is not really necessary as every Christian would agree that the church and its 12 apostles is a point in time where true Christianity existed. And it is the time following this event that is to be discussed.
It is absolutely necessary for people to go back beyond that point, because only then will they realise that Christianity is not an arbitrary set of rules on a piece of paper, but rather it is the natural, self-evident religion for all mankind, and is written on mens' hearts as Paul himself says.

You talk about the "organization established by Christ", but what organisation is that? He never set up an earthly religious system, although he abolished an existing one. But the law of Moses was always separate from the law of Christ. It was a shadow of it, not a predecessor that was replaced in 33AD.

There is no new faith or religious system, just the same one that's been around since the time of Adam.