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    Perhaps this was explained earlier and I missed it, but what exactly is the purpose of designating parts of Ireland and Scotland to the Eremos region? I don't mind it at all, and don't really care, but I just wonder how it is intended to improve EB2's gameplay (as opposed to having the entire island of Ireland as a single province and all of Scotland as a single province).

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    As I understand it, it's to represent the difficulty of controlling those parts of the map. By making it an unconquerable rebel province you will have (AFAIK) more rebel armies that raid your territories.
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    No, we are apparently not getting it at all. The point is there is little to no evidence, of any human occupation of Erie or Alba, for most of the EB II timeframe. If one were to find it, please post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmacq View Post
    No, we are apparently not getting it at all. The point is there is little to no evidence, of any human occupation of Erie or Alba, for most of the EB II timeframe. If one were to find it, please post.
    I find that hard to believe, how do you explain the brochs and duns of northwest Scotland and the ritual sites of Ireland such as Tara and Emain Macha? These regions had been inhabitted since the mesolithic.



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    I agree. There were stone-age houses all the way up to the Orkneys, if not further. I am quite willing to believe that there was no real settlement (i.e. something that would be worth conquering for an EB faction), but it seems highly unlikely that the area had been completely abandoned by EB's time-frame.
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    Its been a while since I've read up on the subject so a few details may be off.

    After the Irish Bronze Age (an Irish "golden age", and probably a bit over populated compared to what it should have been in comparison to its neighbours) there seems to have been a fall in population (to lower than what it should have been in comparison with its neighbours). Pollen analysis shows that less cereal crops were being grown and tress had grown back in areas were they had previously been cleared. The reasons for this population decrease is not known and there is a variety of possibilities ranging from the mundane to the fantastical. The population seems to have recovered around about 100BC (maybe 200 BC at the earliest-again going off pollen diagrams. Differnt pollen diagrams from areas of the country give varying results) and at around about this time Irelands more famous mounuments were constructed ( such as Navan Fort and the Corlea Trackway). There were several major monuments constructed before this date of course (The henges and stuff found at Tara during the recent road excavations date to about 300BC).

    Now there is little evidence of how people actually lived in Ireland during the Iron age, there being little Iron age domestic sites (just a few multi-period sites). There are also a few "figure of eight" structures (nicknamed Druid houses) but these are usually found at ritual sites like Navan Fort. This is why it is theorised that the majority of people lived a nomadic existance following their herds of cattle about, which left little impact on the archaeological landscape (largely based on how it is assumed the common folk lived in the medieval period-again no one is sure even about this more recent period. But Boolying (sp?) was the practice of moving from one area to another depending on the season, and they may have been able to transport their houses about on carts). In addition several possible Iron age sites have been built over and we cant get access to them (it is theorised that the modern city of Armagh is built on top of an Iron age hillfort).

    After EBs period Irelands population starts following European norms (ie, when there is population boom/plague/famine in europe there is one in Ireland) until the modern era. There is several localised exceptions, such as climate change in the north west coast of Ireland in the 7th-9th centuries causing famine.

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    Please, just show us one example of a residential structure, a habitation, even a single house built in Erie between 200/100 BC and AD 300/400. Overall, what the archaeological evidence demonstrates very clearly, is a nearly complete collapse and near abandonment of the very extensive EIA agricultural infrastructure quickly followed by a very significant drop in population, between the EpRIA and LpRIA (La Tene D). From what I understand paleoclimatic reconstructions base on tree-rings, Ice-core studies, and shoreline regress/egress mark a rather sharp shift from a warm/wet climatic regime to a cool/dry one and distinguishes La Tene C2 from D1a (RIA A1). One will also note that the ritual centers were all built prior to the period of system collapse and apparent abandonments.

    Faced with this I have the distinct feeling that the Era of Epic Cycles reflect a period before the mid 2nd century BC rather than after it.

    As for the ritual center known as the Navan Fort/AKA Emain Macha, it was initially constructed in the LBA. There were major additions that again correspond to period before the La Tene D with the exception of terminal construction at Locus B with a destruction radiocarbon date of about 95 BC. As for the Corlea Trackway I believe they have been dendro-dated to the mid 2nd century BC; this all being consistent with the scenario outlined above. Nevertheless, neither the Corlea Trackway nor Navan Fort complex represent evidence of residential use. Furthermore the late date at Navan seems to represent post-abandonment distruction rather than construction. In fact all this only supports what has been known about the general demography of Erie before La Tene D.

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    There are those so-called known knowns we think we know, but all too often what we think are know as known, are in fact total BS.
    Now, if anyone has any information about a residential settlement of any size, or a typical residential structure that can be dated to this period, please feel free to post it here.
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    Ah sweet, we're actually stepping up in EBII. Now, we finally get to see those places where few to none major settlements of humans existed during the game's time frame be put together under the Eremos/Desert province! Wonderful...

    ...wait, how does that affect gameplay? Asking all those familiar with the engine that's being modded here. If it's similar to RTW at all, I can see the use in allowing random, possibly consequential rebel stacks being spawned. But any other significant overt (or even covert) effects on gameplay?
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    Hasn't historical accuracy always been the core component of EB's gameplay?

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    I personally disagree with part of Ireland as the Eremos. Originally, the Eremos was for areas that were absolutely impossible to conquer. Central Arabia and the Sahara were unconquerable because of geography itself. Absolutely no one lived there to be subjugated, because the environment was 100 percent inhospitable. Ireland as well as Scotland and the Northern Steppe are a completely different story. A decrease in population is not tantamount to no population. And although it may have taken an inordinate amount of effort to subjugate these people, making them "not worth conquering", this is absolutely no reason to make them unconquerable. There are plenty of other areas that could be considered not worth conquering, why are they also not cut? All in all, I think the EBII Team has thrown historical accuracy under the bus in order to boost gameplay. Adding these erroneous provinces to the Eremos is a useful expedient to gain new provinces in areas that need them. Now, I am thrilled at having more detail in certain regions, but we also Have to remember that this comes at the loss of other regions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Populus Romanus View Post
    I personally disagree with part of Ireland as the Eremos. Originally, the Eremos was for areas that were absolutely impossible to conquer. Central Arabia and the Sahara were unconquerable because of geography itself. Absolutely no one lived there to be subjugated, because the environment was 100 percent inhospitable. Ireland as well as Scotland and the Northern Steppe are a completely different story. A decrease in population is not tantamount to no population. And although it may have taken an inordinate amount of effort to subjugate these people, making them "not worth conquering", this is absolutely no reason to make them unconquerable. There are plenty of other areas that could be considered not worth conquering, why are they also not cut? All in all, I think the EBII Team has thrown historical accuracy under the bus in order to boost gameplay. Adding these erroneous provinces to the Eremos is a useful expedient to gain new provinces in areas that need them. Now, I am thrilled at having more detail in certain regions, but we also Have to remember that this comes at the loss of other regions.
    herm you can always recruit a legion or two and set them up in forts in the irish eresmos and scotish eremus you still get no revenue because the population is scarce and the land poor but once every 10 years the natives gather all together and elect you as their main and only enemy swear to the gods they won´t fight amonsgt each other until your forts are destroyed and you can have fun just like the french had in the sahara desert trying to control small wells of inquinated water and trying to scrap a few spices and salt from the ocasional trade caravan that needed to use those wells :\ their contigents where destroyed by large tribal gatherings sick of them and when they called for back ups and tried to find the army it was no longer there the thousands became a few dozen families all over again (for better understanding of what those people do watch lawrence of arabia from armies of 12.000 to only 20 in less then 2 months and thousands again after a few more months)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuchip View Post
    Hasn't historical accuracy always been the core component of EB's gameplay?
    RTW engine is not meant to be a simulation of history or historical regions. You can mod all you want, but you'll never be able to show all the towns and villages and settlements. Also, EB is pre-1800. You wouldn't see imaginary lines called borders. These were invariably blurry and ever-shifting to say the least.
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    A minor point about west Ireland and central Scotland becoming Eremos: if (and only if) there are rebel army spawns in the Eremos region, the units composing them will have to be generic to the Arabian desert, the British Isles, and the Russian wilderness. So I'm guessing "random" rebel spawns will be out for Eremos. Scripted ones would be more likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post
    Ah sweet, we're actually stepping up in EBII. Now, we finally get to see those places where few to none major settlements of humans existed during the game's time frame be put together under the Eremos/Desert province! Wonderful...

    ...wait, how does that affect gameplay? Asking all those familiar with the engine that's being modded here. If it's similar to RTW at all, I can see the use in allowing random, possibly consequential rebel stacks being spawned. But any other significant overt (or even covert) effects on gameplay?
    Well, in terms of gameplay, the provinces that would have been taken up by Irish and/or Scots settlements will be able to be used to fill out other areas of the map, improving the gameplay and complexity in those areas that, historically, were more widely populated and governed.

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    I'll simply repeat the offer. Its time to stand and deliver, so if anyone has any information about a residential settlement of any size, or a typical residential structure that can be dated to this period, please feel free to post it here. Oddy researched this issue in great detail, and frankly he seems to have covered all the bases. Yet as a challenge, if there is solid evidence that indicates otherwise, as far as Erie and Alba are concerned, other than hearsay or conjecture, its high-time to walk-the-walk and not just talk-the-talk. Again, in other words; belly-up, put-up, manup or if;

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    Like Ivernis and Emain-Macha?

    But seriously, why -wouldn't- people live there? If they did live there their houses would be made out of wood and be long gone by today, and if they didn't I could change history and after I conquer it as the Pritanoi I can expand cities. Eremos is for unconquerable not "hard to conquer" areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmacq View Post
    I'll simply repeat the offer. Its time to stand and deliver, so if anyone has any information about a residential settlement of any size, or a typical residential structure that can be dated to this period, please feel free to post it here. Oddy researched this issue in great detail, and frankly he seems to have covered all the bases. Yet as a challenge, if there is solid evidence that indicates otherwise, as far as Erie and Alba are concerned, other than hearsay or conjecture, its high-time to walk-the-walk and not just talk-the-talk. Again, in other words; belly-up, put-up, manup or if;

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    There does not have to be a large settlement to have a province. You do have nomad camps, which are for areas of the map where the people who inhabited these lands either did not settle or whose population density was too small to have a settlement of size (if my interpretation of nomad camps is right). In the steppes, for instance, there was never any settlement at all. The people there flat out did not use settlements becuase they were nomads, always on the move. If your line of arguement for excluding Southwest Ireland is that there were no settlements, then the entire steppe should be excluded as well. The same goes for Numidia and much of Arabia.

    Southwest Ireland certainly had no cities and towns at this time. I am not denying that. However, I would honestly be incredulous if there were no people at all living in Southwest Ireland at this time. There must have been the odd farmer every here and there scattered across the countryside at very low densities. People earlier have mentioned a population decrease during this time frame, which seems to necessitate the fact that there was some people living there. After all, if all the inhabitants were gone, I would think they would use different language than "decrease". A lack of cities does not equal a lack of people. If there are people, they can be conquered, which is why I advocate a nomad camp.

    In my opinion, if the EBII Team is going to expand the Eremos to Ireland, they should include the entirety of the island as Eremos. Currently it seems they went halfway, but then stopped with just half the island. Or, perhaps they could have the entirety of Ireland as one conquerable province with a city in Northeastern Ireland. After all, if there are so few people in Southwest Ireland, it could just be added to the existant province. It certainly has been done before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post
    RTW engine is not meant to be a simulation of history or historical regions. You can mod all you want, but you'll never be able to show all the towns and villages and settlements. Also, EB is pre-1800. You wouldn't see imaginary lines called borders. These were invariably blurry and ever-shifting to say the least.
    Well yea but the goal of the EB team is to make the game as historically accurate as they can within the limits of the game. Through their research they've found that much of Ireland was sparsely populated and have chosen to represent this by making most of it part of Eremos. I see no problem with it and I don't think it will make the mod any less fun.

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    No trace of any settlement in the landscape or the literature = no province I guess, fair enough. Your Skyths etc leave their burials at least, which is a fair hint there was someone living there.

    Hadn't realised the (apparent) demographic catastrophe in SW Ireland was so total. I guess social changes stemming from the move to Iron as well as local climatic events can be sooo unforgiving. I have a sad mental image of some last remnant bronze age person on a cliff edge fort looking over an empty sea.

    Interesting point mentioned about trade and IIRC the team has come up with some nice ways to redress the land/sea trade imbalance in the TW system. After all the silk road was as "world-spanning" as anything we know of by sea. I've just read a short history of Carthage that argues the British tin trade by 400 BC was mostly conducted across the channel and overland via Gaul to the Mediteranean rather than the long way round by sea. EB had the amber route too, hope the hugely important riverine and caravan trade can be effectively modelled in EB2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    No trace of any settlement in the landscape or the literature = no province I guess, fair enough. Your Skyths etc leave their burials at least, which is a fair hint there was someone living there.

    Hadn't realised the (apparent) demographic catastrophe in SW Ireland was so total. I guess social changes stemming from the move to Iron as well as local climatic events can be sooo unforgiving. I have a sad mental image of some last remnant bronze age person on a cliff edge fort looking over an empty sea.

    Interesting point mentioned about trade and IIRC the team has come up with some nice ways to redress the land/sea trade imbalance in the TW system. After all the silk road was as "world-spanning" as anything we know of by sea. I've just read a short history of Carthage that argues the British tin trade by 400 BC was mostly conducted across the channel and overland via Gaul to the Mediteranean rather than the long way round by sea. EB had the amber route too, hope the hugely important riverine and caravan trade can be effectively modelled in EB2.
    Depopulation in Ireland during the Iron Age is most likely the result of climatic factors, as happened in Northern Britain at the same time. There is insufficient evidence to support the notion of a mass migration to Ireland during this period (indeed the same can be said of Britain, the Belgae and Parisi don't appear to have arrived in mass numbers, although as the name evidence shows they arrived in sufficient numbers to remain politically distinct).



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    From A New History of Ireland, Barry Raftery's chapter "Iron Age Ireland".

    the social stagnation that seems to have beset Ireland around the middle of
    the last pre-Christian millennium contrasts with contemporary developments
    in Europe. Around 500 b.c. the late Hallstatt centres of eastern France and
    southern Germany had reached their greatest period of power and prosperity.
    Luxuries were demanded and could be readily afforded. Wine from the
    Mediterranean was traded northwards in enormous quantities and with it
    came goblets, flagons, strainers, mixing bowls, and many other exotic consumer
    goods to indulge the whims of an aristocratic e´lite, confident and
    secure in its wealth and its absolute authority. Influence from the Greek and
    Etruscan worlds reached deeply into late Hallstatt society. A wall of sundried
    mud bricks at the Heuneburg fort in southern Germany—a Greek
    replica, wholly unsuited to the damp middle-European climate—illustrates
    well the all-pervasive nature of classical influence.30 So too do the imported
    gravegoods in the wagon-graves at Vix in eastern France31 and Eberdingen-
    Hochdorf in southern Germany.32 At the latter site in particular the presence
    of a unique wheeled settee underlines the almost reckless extravagance of the
    nouveau riche rulers.
    But the spectacular climax was suddenly over: the Hallstatt strongholds
    declined rapidly. In the middle of the fifth century b.c. new foci of power
    emerged and a new culture appears in the archaeological record. This culture,
    representative of the second major phase of the European iron age, is
    referred to as the La Te`ne culture, so named after an important find-spot on
    Lake Neuchaˆtel in Switzerland. Now, for the first time, the evidence of
    archaeology is supported by the writings of classical authors, and now from
    the shadows of prehistory a Celtic-speaking people emerges, described collectively
    as Gauls or Galatians. These people, bearers across Europe of the
    La Te`ne culture, are those we most frequently term the Celts.
    Wide-ranging folk movements from the early fourth century b.c.
    onwards—well documented both in history and archaeology—bring the La
    Te`ne Celts from their central European heartlands to Italy, Greece, the
    Balkans, and Asia Minor. They sacked Rome, burnt Delphi, treated with
    Alexander the Great; their impact on the classical world was considerable.
    An eloquent picture of them emerges from the contemporary accounts,
    stressing their warlike and belligerent personality, their vanity and love of
    pomp and ostentation, their head-hunting and feasting, their skilled use of
    chariots. There is much more besides and many of the details recur in the
    earliest Irish sagas.
    Thousands of graves, richly bedecked with weapons, ornaments, and other
    paraphernalia, yield much information on the material culture of the Celts
    and confirm much of what the Greeks and Romans wrote. Warrior burials
    stand out, the dead most often accompanied by a heavy iron slashing sword,
    spears, and a long, oval shield. Chieftains in some areas were interred with a
    light, two-wheeled chariot. Women, too, were often sumptuously laid to rest
    with ornate jewellery, toilet implements, and other objects of personal adornment;
    they were in no way inferior to men, either in death or in life.
    A major innovation in the material culture of the La Te`ne Celts is the
    appearance of an art form utterly divorced from the sterile geometry of the
    Hallstatt era. La Te`ne art is a curvilinear art, rooted ultimately in the foliate
    patterns of the Mediterranean, but developed from the beginning into abstract
    compositions of often astounding virtuosity. Palmettes, lyres, waves,
    spirals, S-scrolls, and leafy tendrils are the dominant motifs, writhing and
    flowing over the decorated surfaces in themes of great vigour and originality.
    This is art, not mere ornament, an art of tension and contrasts, where
    symmetry and asymmetry, discipline and indiscipline coexist with ease.
    There is mystery and illusion, fantasy and intrigue. Forms move and change,
    merging into one another to deceive the eye. Faces or suggested faces peer
    from the leafy background, undertones of the Netherworld are never far
    away. Poseidonius spoke of the Celtic delight in mystification. ‘They speak
    in riddles,’ he observed, ‘hinting at things, leaving much to be understood.’33
    This is the essence of Celtic art. Through their art we can peer into the heart
    of the Celts, into their very soul.
    The military hegemony of the Celts reached its zenith in the early third
    century b.c. but before that century had passed the tide had turned irrevocably:
    the slumbering Roman colossus was awake. At Telamon, in 225 b.c.,
    a great Celtic confederation from both sides of the Alps suffered a disastrous
    reverse at the hands of the Romans, and the Celts ceased to be a force
    in Italy. From then on, with the inexorable advance of Rome, their world
    increasingly shrank. The year 51 b.c., a key date, saw the fall of Alesia to
    Caesar, and this signalled the collapse of Celtic independence in Europe.
    The initial wave of La Te`ne expansion across Europe may have touched
    Britain but seems not to have reached Ireland. The ‘dark age’ continued.
    Pytheas, the Massaliote astronomer and geographer, followed the same route
    as Himilco up the Irish Sea in 325 b.c. In his later writings he referred to
    the ‘Pretannic islands’ and to Ireland by name—Ierne—but it is unlikely that
    he landed here.34 He may have been acquainted with the rumours, current
    later, which regarded the country as a bleak and inhospitable place where
    unmentionable practices were everyday custom.35
    But the earliest firm evidence of a continental La Te`ne presence in Ireland
    dates to the time of Pytheas. This is provided by the buffer-torc of gold,
    discovered in the nineteenth century with a ribbon-torc of the same metal at
    Clonmacnoise, not far from the Shannon in County Offaly.36 The buffer-torc
    is a distinctive early La Te`ne type, the homeland of which is to be sought in
    the middle Rhine area. The accompanying ribbon-torc may, however, be of
    native manufacture.37 We do not know how, or in what circumstances, the
    Clonmacnoise buffer-torc found its way to Ireland. It is a superbly fashioned
    example with fine ornament on the ‘buffers’ and on the nape portion, and
    was clearly a valuable object. It could have been a gift, a bribe, or maybe an
    offering for a successful voyage, or it might simply be an item of trade. At
    any rate it indicates direct contact with La Te`ne Europe around, or shortly
    before, 300 b.c. But this isolated find can hardly be taken as demonstrating
    immigration to the west of Ireland from the European land-mass, nor indeed
    can it be seen as representing the beginnings in Ireland of a La Te`ne iron
    age. For this we must look to the north-east of the country, to County
    Antrim, the very region where the most extensive deposits of native iron ore
    are to be found. There, in the River Bann and in boggy land to the east,
    metal objects have been recovered that indicate for the first time in Ireland
    an established La Te`ne tradition.
    County Antrim has produced the most important assemblage of La Te`ne
    artefacts from Ireland ever discovered. This was brought to light in the last
    decades of the nineteenth century in the course of turf-cutting activities at
    Lisnacrogher, about 16 km north-east of the town of Broughshane. The site
    appears once to have been a shallow lake. Unfortunately, though the find
    attracted widespread attention from contemporary collectors, there was no
    competent authority present to observe the discoveries or to make any firsthand
    record of the find contexts or of the structures revealed.
    One of the earliest references to Lisnacrogher was by the Rev. William
    Greenwall, who published a note in 186938 on the discovery there, a year
    earlier, of a decorated scabbard-plate and six spearbutts. He noted that ‘from
    the remains of piles and brushwood at the spot, it seems to have been the site
    of a crannoge’. The first extensive account of the discoveries was, however,
    given by W. F. Wakeman in a lecture at Armagh in August 1884, which he
    subsequently published.39 He related that ‘for some time during and preceding
    the two lately past summers, a number of men were employed in digging
    turf from the peat which had been bared by partial drainage of the loch’. He
    went on to note that ‘oaken timbers’, ‘timbers and encircling stakes’, and ‘a
    very considerable quantity of rough, basket-like work’ were reported to have
    been found. He then described and illustrated ‘the array of antiquities which
    were found within and around it’. Further discoveries from Lisnacrogher
    were published by Wakeman in two later papers.40
    Lisnacrogher gained rapid fame in archaeological and antiquarian circles
    and selections of the finds were widely illustrated. As early as 1881, for
    instance, Lindenschmit had figured a decorated scabbard from the site (the
    one published by Greenwell) in his famous Altertu¨mer, though it is there
    wrongly provenanced to England.41 Wood-Martin, too, paid special attention
    to Lisnacrogher in his monograph on the Lake dwellings of Ireland, but he
    could add nothing to what Wakeman had written.42 Robert Munro, the
    Scottish antiquary, visited the site in 1886 and observed ‘irregularly disposed
    beams’ and ‘some remnants of oak beams, some showing the usual mortises’.
    He also referred to an ‘undisturbed structure of stones just cropping through
    the turf ’.43 The final reference to Lisnacrogher is by Knowles, who stated in
    1897 that ‘it appears to be exhausted of its treasures now’.44
    The exceptional importance of the material from Lisnacrogher is equalled
    by our ignorance of the nature of the site. The varying accounts of stakes,
    brushwood, and oaken beams are, of course, forcibly reminiscent of the
    crannogs which are well known throughout Ireland. Not surprisingly, therefore,
    the site is often referred to as a crannog of La Te`ne date. But this is far
    from certain. In Switzerland, at Cornaux45 and at La Te`ne itself,46 comparable
    metalwork assemblages have been found in association with constructions
    of timber, variously interpreted as having served as bridges or jetties.
    Such could also have existed at the Irish site. But even if the timbers at
    Lisnacrogher are accepted as the remains of a crannog, there is a further
    caveat, for the relationship of the La Te`ne artefacts with the timbers has not
    been positively established. In fact, Munro makes the specific point that ‘as
    to the relics, there is no record of their association with the crannog beyond
    the fact of their being found in its vicinity’.47 We do not know, therefore, if
    the La Te`ne metalwork complex from Lisnacrogher represents the debris of
    a settlement, of a workshop or trading centre, or a place of ritual deposition.
    Questions recently asked concerning the true character of La Te`ne—ritual or
    secular—apply also to a consideration of the function of the County Antrim
    site.48
    There are between seventy and eighty surviving objects, mostly metal,
    which may reasonably be regarded as deriving from the primary, iron-age
    deposits at Lisnacrogher. Not all the artefacts, however, are contemporary,
    for the site was evidently in use over a number of generations. Weapons and
    decorated bronzes predominate. There are portions of four swords and four
    incomplete scabbards. Two iron spearheads were also found, some decorated
    cylindrical bronze ferrules and no fewer than twenty-two knobbed bronze
    spear-butts,49 two still retaining a length of wooden shaft.50 In one instance
    this was 1.80m long. The site also produced two bronze pins, ringheaded
    and with gently curving shank, the head of each adorned with pinned-on
    studs of red enamel.51 There were also bracelets from Lisnacrogher, mounts
    of bronze, and a variety of rings and other miscellaneous items of the same
    metal. A number of iron tools are said to have come from the deposits and a
    few items of wood are also preserved.
    Archaeological attention has focused, to a very large extent, on the swords
    and the scabbards, which undoubtedly include the earliest remains from the
    site.52 These are all surprisingly short, the blade lengths of the swords being,
    in every case, well below 60 cm. This is appreciably shorter than is the case
    with contemporary swords outside the country but is typical of all known
    Irish swords of the period; on some examples, indeed, the blades are less
    than 40 cm long. The organic hilt elements, probably of bone or horn, once
    present on the swords from Lisnacrogher have not survived, but the bronze
    fittings associated with grip, pommel, and hilt-guard are in several cases
    present. A feature that the Lisnacrogher swords share with other La Te`ne
    swords in the country is the quillon-plate, a curved bronze mount of
    hammered or cast bronze that fitted on to the tang and rested on top of
    the blade. Its profile is usually described as either ‘bell-shaped’, ‘cockedhat-
    shaped’ or, more technically, ‘campaniform’. Such quillion-plates are a
    diagnostic feature of the swords of early and middle La Te`ne Europe, especially
    the latter, and the Lisnacrogher specimens are classic examples of this
    European form. It is important also to note the finely wrought iron blades of
    these County Antrim swords, illustrated by the well-preserved specimen in
    the British Museum. Clearly of native fabrication, these blades display full
    command of the swordsmith’s craft. Here at least there can be no uncertainty
    as to the existence in the country of a mature, developed, and non-experimental
    iron industry. But whether this represents a new beginning or a
    continuation of older, established traditions remains to be determined.
    The scabbards that held the swords were made of two plates of bronze,
    bell-shaped at the top and with narrowed, cut-back tip to accommodate a
    slender, clinging, openwork chape. The plates were joined to form the scabbard
    by folding the edges of one around those of the other. A suspensionloop
    was riveted to the back, but this is never preserved in Ireland. Three
    of the Lisnacrogher plates are decorated from end to end with engraved
    curvilinear ornament.53 The designs share features with those on European
    La Te`ne scabbards but, like the swords, they are of undoubtedly local manufacture,
    a generation or so removed from their ultimate continental homeland.
    The patterns were executed with a hand-held tracer rocked gently from
    side to side to give a fine, zigzag line. S-motifs, running-waves, and tight,
    hairspring spirals are recurring themes, but a proliferation of micro-, even
    macro-designs fills the bodies of the principal decorative units and the spaces
    between them. For this dotting, minute spirals, leafy motifs, hatching, basketry,
    and other designs are employed; there is a palpable horror vacui.
    To the Lisnacrogher swords and scabbards can be added four splendidly
    ornamented plates54 and a sword fragment from the River Bann.55 Taken
    with the Lisnacrogher objects, these weapons indicate the existence of an
    accomplished armoury in the north-east of the country perhaps as early as
    the third century b.c. but certainly no later than the early second. With
    these we can, for the first time, perceive in the country, however dimly, an
    ‘iron age’ of rather greater substance than anything hinted at for earlier
    periods. That this ‘iron age’ was introduced from outside is beyond question,
    but how and from where remains a matter for debate among scholars. Shared
    decorative details with some British bronzes have encouraged the view that it
    is in England that the origins of the earliest Irish La Te`ne iron age must
    lie.56 This is improbable. The Irish scabbard style differs subtly from almost
    everything in Britain and there are details that can only be found on the
    Continent, in Gaul, in Switzerland, and even in Hungary.57 The Irish openwork
    chapes, too, have their closest counterparts not in Britain but on the
    Continent in contexts dating to the end of the early La Te`ne and the beginning
    of the middle La Te`ne periods.58 Conclusively confirming an early
    continental La Te`ne presence at Lisnacrogher are three hollow rings from
    the site, each made of two horizontally joined segments, the halves held
    together by two or three tiny rivets.59 These rings were related to the belt,
    and seem in many cases to have been associated with the scabbard; they can
    only be paralleled in the graves of early and middle La Te`ne Europe.60
    The number of outsiders who might have been involved in the introduction
    of the new metal-working techniques to north-east Ireland is, of course,
    speculative. There were probably not many, perhaps a handful of fighting
    men with their followers and their craftsmen. But apart from the hollow
    rings, which could be imports, the archaeological record can point only to
    objects of native manufacture. This illustrates well the recurring conundrum
    of Irish prehistory. Here we have something that is totally new in the country,
    yet rendered in a form that is different in detail from anything in the
    area of presumed origin. The human mechanism by which such a transformation
    takes place has yet to be convincingly explained.
    the continental background of the earliest Irish La Te`ne tradition, so clearly
    evident in the Clonmacnoise find and in the County Antrim scabbards,
    becomes less evident in the material of later centuries. That links with the
    European mainland continued, however, is shown by a sword from Ballyshannon
    Bay, County Donegal, which possesses a typical Gaulish anthropoid
    hilt of cast bronze. It was brought up from the seabed in a fishing-net and
    dates to about 100 b.c.61 Late La Te`ne beads of continental type from
    eastern and north-eastern parts of the country may also represent imported
    items from the European land-mass in the last century b.c. 62 Increasingly,
    however, especially after the turn of the millennium, the surviving remains
    show contact with British craft traditions. In matters of art and technology
    there was mutual borrowing between the two islands and it is reasonable to
    suppose that small-scale movements between them were commonplace. But
    in everything the Irish craftsmen pursued a noticeably independent line, and
    everything produced here had the indelible stamp of Irish manufacture.
    From the third or second century b.c., therefore, the archaeological evidence
    indicates the gradual adoption of La Te`ne forms in various parts of
    Ireland, and new types developed, wholly Irish in concept, but bearing local
    versions of the La Te`ne art style. But, quite apart from the indigenous aspect
    of most of the material, the quantity of objects scattered across the country
    that we can describe as ‘La Te`ne’ is small, so that we can scarcely speak of a
    great, sweeping change of population. Furthermore, it is not clear to what
    extent the La Te`ne artefacts are typical everyday objects or are representative
    only of a confined and exclusive section of late prehistoric Irish society. The
    material may be socially restricted; it is certainly restricted in area, for extensive
    regions of southern and south-western Ireland are virtually empty of La
    Te`ne remains. La Te`ne objects are confined in the main to eastern
    and central Ulster and to a broad discontinuous band from Meath across the
    central plain to Galway and Mayo in the west.
    The nature of contemporary society in the south of Ireland is not yet
    clearly defined. Recent attempts to fill the southern ‘void’ of the last centuries
    b.c. with a ‘ringfort complex’ deriving cultural influence from the Iberian
    peninsula are attractive, but suffer from a lack of hard evidence, not least
    of which is the absence of a precise chronology.63
    The La Te`ne remains, limited though they are in extent, represent the
    clearest and most obvious manifestation of iron-age influences in the country.
    It is, however, readily apparent that the La Te`ne material constitutes only a
    single strand in a complex, many-faceted Irish iron age, but for the period
    immediately before the birth of Christ there seems little else of substance to
    go on. The picture provided is, of course, incomplete and much is missing.
    There are many problems of interpretation, problems compounded by the
    paucity of burials and the almost total absence of contemporary, excavated
    settlements.
    the emphasis on weaponry at Lisnacrogher has been noted, an emphasis in
    keeping with the known propensity for fighting and warfare among the La
    Te`ne Celts everywhere. But the fine scabbards and excellently wrought
    swords should not obscure the fact of their extreme scarcity in the country.
    Outside the north-east of Ireland there are only two known scabbard-chapes
    and the total number of swords of La Te`ne type for the whole country is
    scarcely two dozen. Even allowing for the poor preservative qualities of iron
    the lack is striking. Spearheads are even less frequent but in this instance the
    dearth is undoubtedly exaggerated by the near impossibility of dating isolated
    and unassociated specimens, a point confirmed by the relatively large number
    of bronze spearbutts known: of these there are over sixty examples. They are
    of various forms, short and knobbed as are common at Lisnacrogher,64 long,
    tubular butts, cast or of hammered sheet-bronze,65 or butts, always cast, of
    conical shape.66 A few tanged iron butts could belong to the iron age.67 The
    bow, unpopular throughout La Te`ne Europe, is not present in the contemporary
    archaeological record of Ireland; it is unlikely to have been used. The
    sling, on the other hand, equally absent from the surviving material, was
    probably widespread. The discovery of archaeological evidence for this
    would be entirely fortuitous.
    Undoubtedly fortuitous was the finding of a complete shield of La Te`ne
    date during mechanical turf-cutting in Littleton Bog at Clonoura, County
    Tipperary.68 This is the only example from the country, apart from the
    fragmentary bronze fittings from a late, imported shield recovered on Lambay
    Island, County Dublin,69 and some possible iron binding-strips from
    Navan Fort, County Armagh.
    The Clonoura shield, in contrast to the round shields of the bronze age, is
    rectangular in shape with rounded corners. It is small, only 55 cm by 35 cm.
    It is made of a wooden plank, gently convex to the front, with a sheet-leather
    covering on each face, tightly stretched and secured by stitched binding
    strips around the edges. A separately made wooden grip fits across a circular
    opening at the centre of the shield which is protected at the front by a domed
    wooden boss. This is also secured by a sheet-leather covering, stitched to
    the surface of the shield. Such light implements would have been effective
    and manageable in single combat at close quarters, the very combat that is
    suggested by the short, stabbing Irish swords. The Irish shield is quite
    different from the large, almost man-sized shields from continental La Te`ne
    graves, which would have been necessary against the heavy, slashing swords
    of the European Celts. That the Irish implement saw service in battle
    is vividly shown by the sword-cuts and probable spear-thrusts that scar
    its surface.
    The chariot, eloquently described by the classical authors and well represented
    in the European archaeological record, is hardly present at all in the
    Irish material. The earliest Irish literature refers to ‘chariots’, but linguistic
    evidence suggests that these were a far cry from the light, sophisticated, twowheeled
    vehicles of the Continent.70 They may have been little more than
    simple carts. Indeed, if the heavy, cumbersome block-wheels from Doogarymore,
    County Roscommon (for which a date in the fifth or fourth century
    b.c. is suggested by radiocarbon age-determination), have any bearing on
    the nature of wheeled transport in late prehistoric Ireland71 there can be little
    talk of war chariots such as are found on the Celtic coins72 or depicted on a
    funeral stela from Padua.73 Timber fragments from under an iron-age road at
    Corlea in Longford—if they are, as seems probable, part of a wheeled
    vehicle—are more likely to be from a farm cart than from a war chariot.74
    A few bronze mounts are, however, preserved that suggest that chariots of
    more conventional type might occasionally have existed in the country. Two
    hollow bronze mounts from Lough Gur, County Limerick, for example,
    could have been chariot yoke mounts, and a British-made bronze terret (a
    loop through which the reins passed) from County Antrim is probably also
    from a chariot.75 Otherwise, apart from a few wooden horse-yokes,76 we can
    infer only indirectly from the evidence of horse-trappings that paired
    draught (and not necessarily for chariots) was known. Horse-bits of bronze,
    of which there are over 130 in the country, are occasionally found in pairs.
    The enigmatic Y-shaped objects of bronze (almost 100 are known) that fulfilled
    an unspecified role in the harness are also sometimes found in pairs. As
    well as this, asymmetric ornament on bits and on Y-shaped objects seems to
    infer original use in paired combinations.
    But the preponderance of single, isolated specimens in the country
    strongly implies that travel on horseback was common in La Te`ne times. It
    is likely that by then a well-defined network of routeways existed and, in
    some areas at least, these must have been of some sophistication, especially if
    wheeled transport—of whatever kind—was in operation. A great corduroy
    trackway of huge riven oaks, crossing a bog at Corlea in County Longford, is
    a spectacular example of iron-age road building. Thanks to tree-ring analysis
    it has been precisely dated to 148 b.c.77
    Celtic vanity and delight in bright colours and glittering ornaments are
    reflected, to an extent, in the Irish archaeological record. Of the gaudy
    clothing that must have been normal everyday dress, however, there is no
    trace. The only surviving textile from iron-age Ireland is a small fragment,
    fused to the back of a bronze locket, found on the shoulder of a female
    skeleton at Carrowbeg North, County Galway.78 But dress-fasteners are
    known, generally of bronze, and these are sometimes finely adorned. They
    are, however, few in number. The safety-pin fibula, a basic type-fossil of the
    European La Te`ne culture, is represented in Ireland by a mere twenty-five
    examples.79 The number is paltry when set against the many thousands of
    such objects found in every area of La Te`ne Europe. But some, distinctively
    Irish in their treatment, display considerable virtuosity in their manufacture
    and decoration. Springs, tightly coiled for effective use, had to be hammered
    and annealed. Bows could be hammered or cast to either rod or leaf form.
    The foot is sometimes cast in the shape of a tiny bird’s head as on a brooch
    from Lecarrow, County Sligo;80 in one case the form represented on the
    foot seems to be that of a serpent.81 An especially fine example is the wellpreserved
    specimen from Clogher, County Tyrone, which, its arching bow
    embellished with thin elegantly curving trumpets and minute lentoids, is a
    minor masterpiece of fine casting in bronze.82
    Ring-headed pins, an insular type,83 were also worn in iron-age Ireland:
    there are about thirty examples known. We do not know if the distinction
    between them and the safety-pin fibulae was chronological or cultural. In
    some areas at any rate the two types are mutually exclusive in distribution.
    Ring-headed pins, following older traditions of dress-fastening, do not have a
    spring but are characterised by a straight or curving shank, a ring-head, and
    an angular shoulder to gather the cloth. The ring could be of simple, annular
    form84 or it could be recessed for the retention of red enamel inlay as on the
    two examples from Lisnacrogher, County Antrim. More elaborate pins have
    cast ring-heads with raised, snail-shell coils85 and there are also some pins
    with the head in the form of a stylised swan’s neck, and often with sharply
    curving shank.86
    A uniquely Irish type of dress-fastener appeared around the turn of the
    millennium, the Navan-type brooch, so called because two of the five known
    examples are said to have come from Navan Fort (Emain Macha), County
    Armagh.87 These had an elaborately cast, openwork bow embellished with
    raised trumpets in profusion, set off, in the finest example (from Navan), by
    fine stippling.88 The same Navan brooch had a stud of red enamel originally
    on the centre of its bow, while a comparable, but less fine, piece from
    Somerset, County Galway, was also adorned with enamel but in this instance
    as champleve´ inlay.89 Four of the five Navan-type brooches had the pin
    attached to the back by means of a ball-socket mechanism. This appears to
    have been an Irish invention at this time and its presence underlines the
    originality and ingenuity of the Irish craftsmen.
    There were other, less functional forms of personal ornament. Beads of
    glass and bone were worn on the neck, the wrists, and the ankles, and
    bracelets of a variety of materials were also known. We do not know if glassworking
    was carried on in iron-age Ireland but there is no reason why this
    should not have been so. There were also finger- and toe-rings, anklets, and,
    in one burial, a pair of possible ear-rings.90 Belts are suggested by the three
    hollow bronze rings from Lisnacrogher referred to earlier, and the ring pairs
    from cremations at Carrowjames, County Mayo,91 and Carbury Hill, County
    Kildare,92 may also come from belts. A decorated strap-tag, probably also
    from a belt, was found at Rathgall, County Wicklow.93
    Implements relating to the toilet are also recorded from Ireland, but
    these are infrequent and the majority are imports. Two mirrors are known,
    one from Ballymoney, County Antrim,94 the other from the cemetery on
    Lambay;95 a single iron-age tweezers comes from the exotic burial at
    ‘Loughey’, County Down.96 Care for the hair is indicated by the singleedged
    bone combs from Lough Crew, County Meath,97 and elsewhere,
    and the iron shears from Carbury Hill is likely to have been for trimming
    the hair.98
    Without doubt, however, it is the neck ornaments of gold that stand apart
    as the most spectacular items of personal adornment from iron-age Ireland.
    The two torcs from Clonmacnoise, County Offaly, have already been considered.
    99 Apart from this find there is only one major hoard of gold objects
    from Ireland that is demonstrably iron-age in date, for gold of the period
    is rare, in sharp contrast to the astounding wealth of this metal during the
    later bronze age. The hoard is that from the townland of Broighter, near
    Limavady, County Londonderry, where seven objects were found during
    ploughing activities in 1896. These included five neck ornaments, a small
    hemispherical hanging bowl, and a model boat.100
    There were two wire necklaces, one a single strand, the other composed of
    three strands (undoubtedly worn as a ‘choker’), each made by skilfully interlocking
    hundreds of tiny gold loops to fashion chains of great strength and
    flexibility. The clasp mechanisms, one of which is adorned with granulation,
    are simple but ingenious. A little loop, projecting from one end, was inserted
    into an opening in the other end; a tiny, vertical bar was dropped through,
    thus securing the clasp. Two bar torcs (one fragmentary) also came from the
    hoard. These were closed by a simple hook-and-loop method. The final neck
    ornament from the collection is the famous buffer-torc, one of the finest
    examples of Irish iron-age metalwork.
    This object is an elaborate piece,101 far more ornate than the earlier Clonmacnoise
    specimen. It is now in two halves, each a hollow, semicircular tube
    with a separately made ‘buffer’ terminal at one end of each. Whatever attachment
    once existed at the nape portion is now missing. The tubular sections
    of the collar are adorned with repousse´ ornament of almost baroque exuberance,
    but geometrically planned with rule and compass. Sinuous, foliate
    patterns, crisp lentoids, and raised scrolls are the dominant themes, arranged
    in deliberate, balanced asymmetry. For added relief a series of individually
    made snail-shell scrolls have been fitted into specially prepared openings in
    the collar. The relief decoration is set off by a background web of overlapping,
    compass-drawn arcs.
    The terminals are in each case joined to the tubes by a pair of transverse
    gold bars that extend through the collar from one side to the other. One of
    the buffers retains the granulation (or simulated granulation) that originally
    adorned both. The clasp mechanism is clever. A T-shaped tenon, projecting
    from one face, fits into a corresponding rectangular slot in the opposing face;
    the junction is secured by a quarter-turn of the tubes.
    The torc belongs to a small but widely dispersed family of neck
    ornaments, which occur from eastern England as far as Switzerland and
    Italy.102 Their date in the latter part of the last pre-Christian century is wellestablished.
    The present specimen is, however, of local manufacture, though
    a suggestion has been made that the terminals were imported and added in
    Ireland.103 This may be so, but is scarcely provable. Other objects in the
    hoard are, however, certainly non-Irish. The wire necklaces, for example, are
    of Mediterranean, possibly Alexandrian origin.104 The source of the
    remaining items in the hoard is less easy to establish.
    The Broighter objects may have been placed in the ground for safe keeping,
    but it is not unreasonable to interpret the hoard as a votive deposit. The
    find-spot is isolated, well away from the main concentrations of La Te`ne
    metalwork. It is in a river valley close to the old coast of Lough Foyle. It is
    tempting to regard the presence of the boat in the hoard as indicating some
    ritual connection with the sea.105
    This is, however, mere speculation. But the boat is important for it is the
    earliest rendering we have of an ocean-going vessel.106 Elaborately equipped
    with mast and yard-arm, miniature oars and rowers’ benches, steering oar,
    grappling hook, and other tools, it gives us a unique insight into the nature
    of deep-sea travel in the years around the birth of Christ. Eighteen oarsmen
    are implied, two more to man the steering oars. There would have been
    ample room in such a craft for passengers, provisions, and baggage besides.
    One detail escapes us, however, for we cannot say if the model was intended
    to represent a boat of hides or of timber.
    The Broighter hoard, whether buried for reasons of ritual or of expediency,
    is far removed from the everyday needs and activities of the general
    populace. This silent majority finds little expression in the surviving archaeological
    remains. But the scattered artefacts do give us occasional glimpses
    of economy and daily life in La Te`ne Ireland.
    A vital aspect of the daily economy was, of course, food production, and
    the widespread distribution of rotary querns emphasises this importance. In
    the northern two-thirds of the country the beehive variant was known, so
    called because the heavy, domed upper stone resembles somewhat a beehive
    in shape.107 This stone, centrally perforated to receive the corn, was rotated
    by means of a detachable wooden handle on an iron spindle. This was more
    efficient and far less tiring to use than was the long-established saddle quern.
    The change was revolutionary. But soon the beehive quern itself was improved:
    the upper stone was reduced to a flat disc, similar to the lower,
    creating the so-called disc quern. This remained in use almost to modern
    times, so that individual specimens are not easy to date closely. The absence
    of beehive querns in the south of the country suggests that their place was
    taken, almost from the start, by the disc quern.
    Inspiration from north-east England for the introduction of the beehive
    quern to Ireland has been postulated and it has been taken to indicate a folk
    movement to the country from that quarter.108 But the appearance of a
    technological improvement of such striking and immediate relevance to the
    everyday life of the people would spread quickly once the idea was implanted
    and the principle understood. It seems hardly necessary to invoke significant
    population change to explain the development in the means of grinding corn.
    It is not certain when the change took place, as no single beehive quern
    has ever been found in Ireland with another object. Decoration on some
    examples and the evidence of foreign analogies suggest that it may have been
    introduced to Ireland around the birth of Christ or a few centuries later. It
    may be, indeed, that the ‘dramatic expansion in agriculture’ evident in the
    pollen diagrams for Ireland ‘at about 300 a.d. ’ is related to the appearance of
    the new means of grinding corn.109
    Apart from the querns there is otherwise little in the surviving remains
    linked to agricultural pursuits. The only implement known that is directly
    linked to the harvest is an iron sickle from the Lisnacrogher deposit.110
    We can assume, however, that with widespread cultivation of the land, field
    systems must have evolved to a stage of some complexity and large areas of
    the country must have been enclosed. In a mixed economy with wandering
    domestic animals and the dangers of incursions by wild fauna, field boundaries
    were essential. We cannot point with certainty, however, to any field
    systems of demonstrably iron-age date from the country.111
    Animal husbandry, which must have been at least equal to agriculture as a
    primary means of food production, is even less well represented in the archaeological
    remains than is agriculture. It may reasonably be assumed that
    cattle were a prime basis for wealth and, in consequence, cattle-rustling was
    probably endemic. Indeed, it has been suggested that the great ‘travelling
    earthworks’ that ran for kilometres across the country were a response to
    large-scale cattle-rieving.112 The bo´aire of the early historic period had his
    roots, no doubt, in the pre-Christian iron age, and it should not be forgotten
    that the earliest Irish heroic saga, the Ulster cycle, revolves around an elaborate
    cattle raid.
    Only two published excavations have yielded information on the nature of
    the faunal remains recovered: Feerwore, County Galway,113 and Freestone
    Hill, County Kilkenny.114 Bones of cattle, sheep/goat, pig, horse, and dog
    were present as well as those of red deer and a few smaller wild animals. The
    published statistics concerning relative percentages of the different animals
    are, however, suspect since they refer only to the relative bulk of the bones of
    individual species. Preliminary statements concerning the faunal remains at
    Navan Fort indicate a striking preponderance of pig-bones over those of
    cattle and sheep or goats.115
    Otherwise the evidence is slight. A few sword hilts made of animal bones
    have survived (those of deer and sheep have been identified) and rib-bones of
    cattle were used for various purposes as at Lough Crew, County Meath,116
    and Freestone Hill. Animal bones were also used to make gaming pieces: the
    dice from a grave at Knowth117 were made from the bones of a horse. As
    already noted, the frequency of horse-trappings underlines the popularity of
    the horse in Ireland.
    We know virtually nothing of the house-types current in La Te`ne Ireland,
    so we can say little about their internal organisation and plenishings or the
    domestic activities that took place inside them. Any carvings, tapestries, or
    painted walls that might once have existed are lost to us. There are few
    domestic tools or implements preserved, apart from a few axeheads, an adze
    or two,118 and an occasional knife.119 Spinning and weaving are represented
    only by the alleged bone spindle-whorls from the late site on Freestone
    Hill.120 There are no known loom-weights, which suggests that the horizontal
    rather than the vertical loom was in use. Bone scrapers from Freestone
    Hill may have been used in leather-curing,121 and the expertly made Clonoura
    shield demonstrates skilled working in leather. The shield also shows
    considerable competence in carpentry techniques and the same skills are
    evident in several of the carved wooden objects found under the trackway in
    Corlea bog, County Longford.122 Domestic pottery was not used, as far as we
    can tell, in iron-age Ireland and wooden containers were probably widespread.
    Only a few survive, including two handled cups,123 and there is at
    least one wooden cauldron, which may belong to an early stage of the Irish
    iron age.124 Fragments of stave-built wooden vessels have been found under
    the trackway, earlier referred to, at Corlea. Metal containers also existed.
    Cauldrons of bronze were used, of globular and ‘thick-bellied’ form, but
    there are fewer than ten preserved from the whole country.125 Again we are
    struck by the contrast with the situation in the preceding late bronze age,
    during which Ireland was a major western European centre of cauldron
    production.
    Bronze drinking vessels, either bowls or handled cups, also exist. These
    are sometimes hammered, sometimes finished on a lathe after initial casting.
    They date around the birth of Christ. One particularly fine example, from
    Keshcarrigan, County Leitrim,126 has a magnificently cast bird’s-head handle
    with elegant, curving neck, upturned beak, and large staring eyes which were
    once filled with glass or enamel inlays. A comparable bird’s-head handle was
    found with other metal objects at Somerset, County Galway.127 We do
    not know what beverages were drunk from these vessels but the stavebuilt,
    wooden tankard from Carrickfergus, County Antrim—probably a
    first-century import from Wales—could have been for beer.128 A pedestalled
    ‘tazza’ of sheet bronze from Edenderry, County Offaly (a roughly contemporary
    import)129 might also have held the same beverage.
    Drinking and feasting appear to have been important aspects of life among
    the Celts, which could have taken up much of their leisure time. There is
    little else to suggest periods of idleness. Games of chance, however, seem to
    be represented by the bone dice that sometimes occur in Irish iron-age
    contexts, and other ‘gaming-pieces’,130 and there are also a few alleged ‘counters’
    of stone.131 A series of pegged bone objects from a grave at Knowth
    appear to indicate the former existence of a board game.132 There is no
    evidence in the archaeological record for the vigorous games of hurling
    which the young Cu´ Chulainn allegedly played at Emain Macha before pursuing
    his heroic and tragic destiny.
    Cu´ Chulainn is a figure of legend and myth, but Emain Macha, the setting
    for his greatest exploits, is a known hilltop site, now named Navan Fort,
    some 6 km west of Armagh city.133 At the foot of this hill, in boggy land,
    once a lake, four great bronze trumpets were found in the townland of
    Loughnashade in 1798 in apparent association with human remains.134 Only
    one survives.135 Deposited in a lake close to a site of contemporary royal and,
    it seems, ceremonial importance, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that
    these four instruments came to their watery resting place in the course of
    some votive activity.
    Apart from the surviving trumpet from Loughnashade, there are several
    other examples known, including a finely preserved specimen from Ardbrin,
    County Down. The type is Irish and one was exported in ancient times to
    Anglesey in north Wales where a fragment was found, significantly perhaps
    in the presumed votive deposit at Llyn Cerrig Bach.136
    These objects differ in every way from the cast trumpets of the bronze
    age. Each of the two substantially complete iron-age examples is made of two
    curved tubes joined to form a large arc which expands in width towards
    the bell. The chord-length of the Ardbrin trumpet, the largest and bestpreserved
    piece, is no less than 1.42 m.137 The tubes were made of prepared
    strips of sheet bronze, hammered around a mandrel and curved to shape.
    The junction of the precisely matching edges of each sheet was sealed by
    riveting a narrow bronze strip along it on either the outer or inner surface.
    On the exceptional Ardbrin trumpet, the internal sealing strip was secured
    by no fewer than 1,094 tiny bronze rivets.138 The outstanding technical
    excellence of such trumpets was further exanced in the case of the Loughnashade
    specimen by the addition of a bronze disc with ornate repousse´ decoration
    around the bell.
    These instruments, dating perhaps to the last century b.c., might have
    sounded on ceremonial occasions or before battles, their deep, bass sounds
    intended to intimidate and terrify the enemy. The Ardbrin trumpet, when
    found in 1809, was immediately blown by a local bugler, its striking tones
    startling the people of the surrounding region. The object can still be blown
    today but gives only a limited range of notes.
    The trumpets, especially that from Ardbrin, are particularly fine examples
    of the skill and accomplishment of the Irish bronzesmith’s craft at this time.
    Indeed, repeatedly in the surviving remains it is the craft of the bronzeworker
    that stands out. Flourishing centres must have existed, thriving and
    well equipped workshops, and there were probably also travelling bronzesmiths
    who carried out work akin to that of the tinkers of recent Irish
    history. A wide range of specialist tools would have been used and an extensive
    network of contacts was also necessary, both immediately local and
    distant, to provide the essential raw materials for the successful running of
    the industry.
    Yet archaeology reveals practically nothing of all this. Not a single metalworking
    tool is known, there are no moulds and no crucibles. In all these
    things the bronze age tells us more.139 But we can infer something from the
    artefacts. There are unfinished objects, fresh from the mould, their casting
    accretions not yet rubbed down. There are objects still retaining the marks of
    the tools used on them. Thus we can recognise hammers, punches, chisels,
    graving tools of various forms, drills, files, saws, compasses. Many others
    must have existed: anvils of differing sizes, for instance, and tools of bone,
    too, such as punches used in repousse´ work and spatulae for the modelling of
    cire perdue wax.
    There is one hoard of objects that was clearly the property of a metalworker,
    that found in 1959 at Somerset, County Galway.140 Ten objects
    survive from the deposit: five bronze mounts, a gold ribbon torc, an openwork
    brooch of ‘Navan-type’,141 a cup-handle in case bronze, shaped in the
    form of a bird’s head as on the Keshcarrigan cup,142 an ingot, and a cake of
    raw bronze. The cake has oblique hammer marks on it; perhaps a bowl
    was to be made from it to which the handle was to be attached. There is a
    mount too, which has had its original openwork ornament carefully
    removed—clearly showing that the bronzesmith was still at work on this
    object. The hoard, however, produced no tools, but the iron objects, found
    with the bronzes and subsequently lost, may have been such implements. It
    is tempting to regard the Somerset assemblage as the stock-in-trade of a
    travelling bronzesmith. We do not know, however, if a permanent workshop
    existed nearby.
    Enamel-working is intimately associated with the bronzesmith’s craft. This
    substance, essentially an opaque glass, is always red in colour during the
    earlier phases of the iron age. Sometimes it is pinned to the bronze in the
    form of preformed studs; sometimes it is applied in molten form to decorative
    panels sunk into the surface of the bronze to be adorned. The latter
    technique is called champleve´. In Ireland at least, there seems little chronological
    discrepancy between the two techniques, though outside the country
    the studs are earlier, following on the early La Te`ne custom of decorating
    bronzes with studs of coral. Several large blocks of red enamel have been
    found on the hill of Tara,143 indicating the former existence of a bronzeworking
    centre there. The high lead content of the enamel, as revealed by
    analysis, has been taken to suggest that the material was imported in bulk
    from the Mediterranean region, possibly Italy.144 The implications of this, if
    true, in terms of social organisation at home and the extent of trading contacts
    abroad are considerable.
    In seeking foci of metalworking in iron-age Ireland the unique assemblage
    of material found in the chambers of a neolithic passage grave at Lough
    Crew, County Meath, must be taken into account. First dug into in the
    1860s,145 later (in 1941) excavated scientifically,146 the site produced a large
    collection of objects dating, in all probability, to the first century a.d.147 The
    majority of the finds are fragmentary bone flakes, carefully polished and
    sometimes with compass-drawn ornament on them. Thirteen bone combs
    were also found, two small pins of the same material, beads of amber and
    glass, and some rings of amber and iron. A corroded iron object, allegedly
    the leg of a compass,148 was found in the nineteenth-century investigations.
    This is now lost. Its relationship to the iron-age layer is unknown (it could
    be modern), nor is it certainly part of a compass.
    Over 5,000 flake fragments were recovered, about 150 of which bear ornament.
    They are made from cattle rib-bones, generally ovoid or flattened-oval
    in shape, sometimes with one end pointed. Occasionally one end is pierced
    by a small, circular hole. Estimated original lengths vary between 5 cm and
    about 14 cm. The decoration consists most often of precisely conceived,
    compass-drawn compositions of considerable geometrical complexity. There
    are also examples, however, where the designs are unfinished, even botched,
    and some seem to represent no more than practice curves made without any
    intent at ornamentation. Only once is the compass left aside, in the awkward,
    crudely scratched stags present on one flake. But even here, the tiny circular
    eyes are mechanically produced.149 The decorated flakes are often taken to be
    ‘trial pieces’ or ‘pattern books’, the work of a bronzesmith developing patterns
    in bone before committing them to the more permanent metal. The
    Lough Crew site is thus far regarded as a workshop. But the preponderance
    of blank flakes, each as carefully shaped and polished as those that are
    adorned, seems not to support this view. It should also be noted that none of
    the investigations there revealed positive evidence of metalworking. The
    presence of these objects within a passage grave, on a remote hilltop, hints
    rather at a non-utilitarian role for these enigmatic flakes, for it is evident that
    monuments such as Lough Crew were imbued with deep-seated supernatural
    undertones in indigenous Celtic mythology.
    In terms of the native artistic development, the ornament on the Lough
    Crew flakes is important, for it represents a radical departure from the freehand
    foliate patterns of the Ulster scabbards. Now there is a rigid dependence
    on the compass, and workshop links are not with Europe but with
    Britain, its south-west, but above all its north. Some of the Lough Crew
    designs, indeed, can otherwise only be matched in the latter area.150 This
    Lough Crew school of decoration, along with the broadly contemporary
    Somerset, County Galway, material and its stylistic analogies, embodies a
    unified artistic tradition that found its way to all areas of La Te`ne influence
    in the country. In bronze, bone, stone, even gold, there is repeated overlap
    in stylistic emphasis and approach. There is a strong conservatism, an acceptance
    of stylistic norms, and an unwillingness to deviate from that which
    was held to be artistically appropriate and correct. The art on the flakes had
    ready parallels on the Broighter torc, on the so-called bronze ‘spoons’, on a
    ‘gaming-piece’ from Cush in County Limerick, and on horsebits as
    well. Unique bronzes such as the ornamental horns from Cork, the famous
    ‘Petrie crown’, the large repousse´ discs of ‘Monasterevin-type’, and the
    finely ornamented disc from Loughan Island on the Bann may all overlap
    in time with this Lough Crew school of craftsmanship. Most striking
    analogy of all for the art on the flakes is the ornament on a stone from
    Derrykeighan, County Antrim, which is so close to that on one of the flakes
    as almost to suggest that the sculptor had a decorated flake before him as he
    worked.151
    The Derrykeighan stone is one of five decorated iron-age stones from
    Ireland, to which can probably be added a few undecorated monoliths, especially
    that known as the Lia Fa´il at Tara. These are generally regarded as
    having had some cult significance. They vary considerably in their form and
    in their ornament. Some, such as Derrykeighan, are rectangular in section;
    others vary from a squat rounded profile (Castlestrange, County Roscommon)
    152 to cylindrical shape with domed top (Turoe, County Galway).153
    The Turoe example is the finest. Made of granite and standing just over a
    metre above ground level (its total length is 1.68 m), the stone is lavishly
    ornamented with overall curvilinear designs, raised in false relief from the
    surface of the stone by chiselling the background voids. The design, not an
    ‘asymmetric jungle’ as one commentator suggested, has been carefully laid
    out in a quadripartite arrangement suggesting a four-faced prototype.
    Around the base there is a band of ‘step’ or ‘maeandroid’ ornament, incised
    in a manner noticeably less sophisticated than the ornament on the rest of the
    stone. Fragments of a similar monolith also stood in Killycluggin, County
    Cavan.154
    The Turoe stone, like the others, is a native rendering and it dates to the
    last century b.c. Other stones could be slightly earlier or slightly later;
    one from Mullaghmast, County Kildare, dates around the middle of the first
    millennum a.d.155 Stones of this type are unknown in Britain and find
    their best parallels in the Breton peninsula of France.156 It is possible that
    impulses from there inspired native craftsmen to erect local versions. The
    Irish stones would thus reflect a widespread Celtic religious custom
    extending to the Rhineland and ultimately to Etruria. The carved stone
    heads in Ireland,157 along with the fine wooden carving from Ralaghan,
    County Cavan,158 similarly reflect a pan-Celtic set of religious beliefs.
    the foregoing section represents a consideration of scattered material within
    the country described loosely as ‘La Te`ne’ because of the form of the objects
    concerned and because of their ornamentation. In Ireland the term has a
    rather different meaning from elsewhere because of the insularity and longevity
    of La Te`ne traditions in this country. Thus the cultural and chronological
    subdivisions of the La Te`ne that have been worked out for the
    Continent have only the most generalised validity for Ireland. For this country
    chronology is very imprecise: the objects involved belong to the centuries
    between 300 b.c. and a.d. 300.
    The picture presented by the La Te`ne material is disjointed and incomplete
    and much remains uncertain, much eludes us. As already noted, the
    extent to which the surviving La Te`ne remains are representative of the
    ordinary people is unclear. Undoubtedly a significant part reflects the trappings
    of an aristocratic e´lite and, indeed, the very paucity of objects itself
    suggests that large sections of the contemporary population are unrepresented.
    But at least it can be said that the material of La Te`ne aspect, scarce
    though it is in the country, is indicative of a recognisable, innovative iron-age
    tradition in Ireland in the last centuries b.c., a tradition that continued for
    a time into the early centuries of the Christian era. In those southern areas of
    the country that lack a La Te`ne horizon, the task of recognising the nature of
    contemporary innovating iron-age influences remains problematical.
    In all of this it is readily apparent that the key to our understanding of the
    full iron age in Ireland lies in the recognition and investigation of settlement
    sites of the period. For the La Te`ne horizon at least, our ignorance is almost
    total. Only at Feerwore, County Galway, can we point to a small, domestic
    settlement which produced material of clearly La Te`ne type.159 There were
    no houses preserved, the debris consisting merely of broken scraps left
    behind after the settlement was abandoned. We do not know if the site was
    defended or not. Whatever may have existed was removed by the bank-andditch
    construction of the later ringfort there.
    Strictly on the basis of morphology, hillforts in Ireland have been divided
    into three main types.164 The first are those characterised by a single line of
    defence, which can cover an area of from under two hectares to about nine
    hectares. Brusselstown Ring, near Baltinglass, County Wicklow,165 and Carn
    Tigherna, near Fermoy, County Cork,166 are good examples. Hillforts with
    two or three ramparts widely spaced from one another form the second Irish
    category. Sites as large as 20 hectares in area are known.167 These have a
    slight emphasis in their distribution to the south-west and west of Ireland.
    The great 12.5 hectare site at Mooghaun, near Newmarket-on-Fergus in
    County Clare, is the finest example of this hillfort-type in the country.168
    Cashel Fort, at Upton, County Cork, is another.169 The third hillfort type,
    numerically limited, is the inland promontory fort. As the name implies,
    these occupy promontory situations where the natural slopes are sufficiently
    precipitous to necessitate the construction of artificial defences only across
    one end of the promontory. A feature of two of the finest examples, Lurigethen
    170 and Knockdhu,171 both not far from the coast in north Antrim, is
    the presence of a series of bank-and-ditch defences with no space between
    successive lines, i.e. closely spaced multivallation. This is a defensive concept
    fundamentally distinct from that implied by the widely spaced multivallation
    of Class 2 forts. Not all the inland promontory forts, however, are defended
    in this way. The site of Caherconree, situated some 630m above sea level on
    Slieve Mish in County Kerry, has but a single line of defence.172 The area
    defended at Caherconree is scarcely a hectare. The wall, well built of sandstone
    blocks, has internal terracing and still stands to a height in places of
    more than two metres. Also on the Dingle peninsula, on the eastern side of
    Mount Brandon in Benagh townland, is an even more extraordinary inland
    promontory fort.173 Here two stone walls, about 100m apart, cut off a
    narrow promontory some 762m above sea level. We can only wonder as to
    the function, and indeed the date, of such spectacular fortresses.

    Attempts, on the basis of structural evidence alone, to seek an external
    source for the Irish forts are less than satisfactory. Vague analogies for the
    widely spaced plan of some of the Irish sites exist in south-west England and
    in parts of Iberia,179 but such analogies are unbuttressed by firm archaeological
    evidence. The possibility of an Iberian ingredient as one strand at
    least in the genesis of the Irish hillfort may well reward further consideration,
    for the use of chevaux de frise as at Du´n Aengus and other western sites
    is an Iberian technique par excellence. Suggestions that the chevaux de frise in
    Ireland and Iberia are unrelated, deriving from a common timber prototype
    which reached Ireland through Britain, remain unsubstantiated.180 We lack
    the evidence of excavation. A single, fragmentary bronze fibula of native La
    Te`ne type, allegedly from the inner enclosure at Du´n Aengus,181 tells us
    nothing of the fort’s foundation.
    Equally speculative is the dating of the promontory forts. These sites,
    distinct from the contour sites not merely in their situation but also by the
    not infrequent use of closely spaced multivallation, may well belong to a
    cultural horizon totally different from that of the contour hillforts. It is
    tempting to relate the coastal sites to closely similar forts in south-west
    England and north-west France, where they have been identified with a
    Gaulish tribe, the seafaring Veneti.182 We may also recall the presence in
    Ireland of low, rounded monoliths of iron-age date,183 a form especially
    concentrated in the territory of the Veneti.184 Again, however, firm evidence
    to support the interesting possibilities raised by these analogies is lacking,
    and it must be accepted that promontory forts in Ireland and those outside
    could result from no more than a common response to a common defensive
    situation. It must also be borne in mind that promontory forts in Ireland had
    a long life, possibly into medieval times, so that the attempted dating of
    individual sites without excavation is futile.
    Outside Ireland there is clear evidence to show that many hillforts were
    densely occupied and in use the year round. Equally, it is evident that some
    forts did serve merely as refuges. Either or both interpretations could apply
    to Ireland but it seems likely that the primary function was defensive, not
    ceremonial. Excavation to date has been insufficient to allow firm conclusions
    either way. It is, however, difficult to envisage lofty and exposed sites such as
    Caherconree and Benagh in County Kerry as in occupation during the winter
    months.
    One thing seems certain. The effort involved in constructing the defences
    of a hillfort was considerable and involved significant numbers of people over
    an extended period of time. This, as well as the large areas enclosed, implies
    use by a large number of people. Whatever their precise function, it seems
    not unreasonable to see the hillforts as important focal points within the
    tribal area.
    But not all the great hilltop enclosures of Ireland are so compellingly
    defensive in the appearance of their enclosing ramparts. There is in the
    country a small group of imposing sites that occupy commanding positions
    and are characterised by a rampart-and-ditch enclosure of substantial proportions,
    but may still have served a primary function other than the protection
    of the inhabitants. Distinguishing these, apart from their size and location, is
    the presence of a deep ditch running inside, rather than outside, the earthwork
    enclosure. Three major sites are included in this group: Navan Fort
    (Emain Macha), County Armagh; Du´n Ailinne, County Kildare; and Ra´th na
    Rı´ogh, Tara, County Meath.185 A fourth site, at Carrowmably, near Dromore,
    County Sligo, spectacularly sited on a cliff edge overlooking the sea,
    also possesses a deep ditch around the inner perimeter of its well-preserved
    bank. In this instance, however, neither history nor archaeology provide the
    slightest clue as to its function or date.
    The three enclosures initially listed above are all recognised royal centres
    prominent in the traditions and mythology of early Celtic Ireland.186 Each is
    alleged to have been a provincial centre, important for inaugurations, ceremonies,
    and assemblies, and possibly even the seat of a royal household.
    These were clearly exceptional sites and this is given strong support by the
    evidence of excavation at Navan Fort and Du´n Ailinne. Oddly, a comparable
    earthwork enclosure is absent at Cruachan, the presumed contemporary capital
    of the ancient kingdom of Connacht.187
    Tara, above all, figures prominently in the early literature.188 Ra´th na
    Rı´ogh, the 7-hectare internally ditched enclosure, dominates the ridge-top,
    but this monument is only one of an extensive complex of tumuli, ringbarrows,
    enclosures, and the enigmatic parallel ramparts known as the ‘banqueting
    hall’. Additional sites have been revealed by aerial photography.189
    Few of these earthworks have been excavated. Each has a fanciful name
    deriving, for the most part, from the early medieval Dindshenchas,190 but
    these are of no value in determining either the purpose or the date of any of
    the structures on the hill. Excavation has revealed activity from neolithic
    times191 to the early centuries a.d.,192 and individual unexcavated sites
    could belong anywhere within this extensive time-span. Some, such as the
    ringforts on the hilltop, could even be later. The majority of monuments at
    Tara are, however, likely to be of iron-age date.
    Occupation on the summit of Navan Fort (Emain Macha) began, as noted
    earlier, in the seventh century b.c. during the later phase of the Irish bronze
    age.193 At that time there is no evidence that the site was out of the ordinary,
    for there was only a single house which stood within a wooden stockade.
    Over many generations the plan of the settlement changed little, but the
    house was replaced on no fewer than eight occasions. A second house, twice
    rebuilt, was later erected on another site within the same palisaded enclosure.
    A third phase then followed, when the function changed radically and the
    hilltop may have acquired its ceremonial importance. It is possible that it was
    during this phase that the large, enclosing bank was raised, but this has not
    been demonstrated by excavation. Phase 3 involved the construction of a
    circular wall of horizontal timber planking, enclosing an area 40m in diameter,
    within which were the five concentric rings of posts, 3m apart, the
    posts of each ring 1.20m to 1.80m distant from one another. A single posthole
    2.30m deep was found at the centre, within which was preserved the
    stump of an oak post 55 cm in diameter. Its original height could have been
    as much as 13 m. From an entrance in the west there was an arrangement of
    postholes, interpreted by the excavator as an ambulatory, which led to the
    centre. After some restructuring the site seems to have been partially burnt,
    perhaps deliberately, before finally being sealed by a cairn some 46m in
    diameter and 4.50 to 5m high. Tree-ring analysis of the central post indicates
    a date just before 100 b.c. for the last major phase of activity at Navan
    Fort.194
    The precise nature of the buildings that once stood at Navan is uncertain
    and it cannot be stated if the multi-ringed complex was ever roofed. This is
    possible. It is, however, difficult to avoid the conclusion that Navan Fort in
    its later stages served no ordinary practical purpose. This is especially emphasised
    by the final burning and monumental sealing of the structure. It is
    possible, at the same time, that secular occupation took place elsewhere on
    the hilltop. Much of the area within the enclosure remains unexcavated.
    Iron-age material recovered in the course of the excavation, such as a bone
    dice, a bone weaving-comb, and iron slag, all seem to indicate domestic
    activities. The discovery in one of the pre-cairn levels of a Barbary ape
    skull195 is of outstanding importance, emphasising the singular importance of
    Navan Fort in late prehistoric times. It is not, however, clear to which phase
    the skull belongs.
    Excavation on the summit of Du´n Ailinne, County Kildare, uncovered a
    sequence of iron-age occupation as complex as that on Navan,196 and as at
    the latter site the material remains associated with the hilltop activity
    are exclusively of La Te`ne and sub-Roman aspect. Initially, there were three
    successive circular, timber structures, each revealed as trenches in which
    a continuous series of upright posts had once stood. Phase 2 was made up of
    three concentric trenches gapped and with an annexe; Phase 3 had
    two concentric trenches enclosing an internal ring of large postholes, at the
    precise centre of which was a small, circular building. Then, in Phase 4,
    the outer and inner features were removed leaving only the ring of large
    free-standing posts. These in turn were later dismantled and the hilltop was
    used for a time as the site of intensive but sporadic open-air feasting. Carbon
    14 age-determinations ranged from the third century b.c. to the fourth
    century a.d.
    Navan Fort and Du´n Ailinne, clearly overlapping culturally with the horizon
    that is otherwise represented only by the scattered La Te`ne artifacts,
    give us unique and important insights into aspects of contemporary society
    that the finds on their own can never give us. With these structures archae-
    ology, mythology, and even the first glimmerings of history are brought
    together. The great hostings of the ‘Ta´in’ can be dimly discerned as a backdrop
    to these extraordinary monuments, with warrior kings and queens,
    hemmed in by their onerous obligations and awesome taboos, presiding over
    the rituals vital for the prosperity and well-being of their people. The authority
    that such rulers could wield must have been considerable, to organise
    and co-ordinate the enormous labour that the construction of these great
    sites involved. A highly sophisticated social organisation is implied and a
    strong sense of community, allied perhaps also to powerful religious motivation,
    on the part of the workers who followed the directions of the leadership
    in the laborious project. We do not know, however, to what extent slave
    labour might also have been used.
    The task was prodigious. Many men were needed and it must have taken
    months to complete. The digging of the ditch alone and the piling of the
    rubble below it, using the simplest of tools, was a great undertaking. But the
    timber structures on the hilltop required as much effort. Large numbers of
    trees had to be felled, trimmed, and then transported, who can say for how
    many kilometres, finally hauled uphill and erected in place. In situ they may
    have been carved or painted and there could have been extensive joinery
    work. And while all this was going on the work-force had to be fed, watered,
    and housed. It is thus likely that the whole community was preoccupied with
    this one project.
    the burial record, not only for the iron age, but also for almost the whole of
    the last pre-Christian millennium in Ireland, is meagre and the few known
    sites are generally uncertainly dated. For the later bronze age we can only
    point to two likely sites: Mullaghmore, County Down, where a ring-barrow
    produced cremations and coarse pottery,202 and Rathgall, County Wicklow,
    where three cremation deposits were enclosed by a shallow ring-ditch.203 At
    each site one of the burials was contained within a coarse upright pot. It
    must be assumed that the means of disposal of the dead during the late
    bronze age were such as to leave no obvious trace in the archaeological
    record. It may thus follow that the continued scarcity of burials in the iron
    age indicates the persistence into that period of those same conditions or
    customs that prevent us from recognising late bronze-age interments. This in
    itself hints at a strong measure of population stability throughout the millennium,
    and the surviving burial record, limited though it is, lends support to
    this impression. It is only around the turn of the millennium and into the
    beginning of the Christian era that a handful of clearly intrusive burials can
    be identified.

    the Irish iron age thus emerges as a complex, multifaceted period without
    clear definition either in cultural or chronological terms. Like an unravelled
    tapestry there are pieces missing and many loose strands, some of which
    seem hopelessly tangled. One important strand, for instance, the La Te`ne
    material, can with difficulty be linked with the forts, which must also be part
    of this iron-age tapestry, while these in turn can scarcely be related to the
    burials. The missing strand of the southern iron age in the last centuries b.c.
    remains problematical, but it may be that the hillforts of the south will in
    time help to fill this major gap in our knowledge. After the turn of the
    millennium Roman imports add a significant new ingredient to the developing
    Irish iron age, and before the middle of the millennium the ringfort,
    rooted perhaps in earlier settlement forms, increasingly becomes the dominant
    feature of the Irish cultural landscape. Throughout the iron age Ireland
    received influence and inspiration from many external sources. Gaul was
    important but there were also contacts with the Rhineland, the east Mediterranean,
    and, possibly, Iberia. Britain too, over the centuries, provided much.
    But foreign impulses were always subjected to the strong island personality
    of Ireland and these, muted by environment and filtered by time, soon
    developed into a new synthesis which was wholly and recognisably Irish.
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    I think there seems to be a misunderstanding as to what “Eremos” is. Literally it means “wilderness”, “deserted”/“desolate”, but this is not an absolute. In EB it first was used not for an “impossible to conquer” region, but an “undesirable to conquer” region. The innermost part of Arabia used to be a region with capital at Dumatha, but this was merged with Eremos (and Dumatha removed from the map) for the simple reason that it neatly avoided the Seleucids/Ptolemaioi going after the Saba quite so quickly. It happens to make sense with the idea of it being a desert, but in antiquity it contained some key traderoutes and major cities as well.

    In EB 2 we reshuffle the provinces with an eye to making them trace relevant cultural/geographic boundaries better and fix problems with the way they are distributed and what we need/want to get out of that. Although it looks odd to see parts of Ireland as Eremos, it happens to make a lot of sense given the very minimal human presence it enjoyed. Note that even wooden settlements leave relatively clear traces which modern archeology is accustomed to deciphering (for instance rubbish dumps, changes in the soil which used to be a hearth, concentrations of animal/plant remains, pollen), otherwise we'd know a whole lot less about for instance North West continental Europe, Skåne, Northern Germany, Poland etc.
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    Leaving the matter of native settlement aside, isn't a little unfair roleplay-wise to limit the player so drastically? Sure, even if nobody historically conquered all of Ireland in EB's timeframe, or any of it for that matter. But if Rome had somehow managed to invade Ireland, do you really think they would not have tried to settle or subjugate in these "uninhabited" areas?

    Of course, if the EB team believes firmly that this is the way to go, there's little point in arguing it. I have my doubts about how the map is going to look and feel, especially if this same sort of logic is followed everywhere, and but it's their mod and they can build it however they want. If we're unsatisfied with how it comes out, we can argue the point then, and, failing that, making a sub-mod to change the map borders would take me half an hour at most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epimetheus View Post
    Leaving the matter of native settlement aside, isn't a little unfair roleplay-wise to limit the player so drastically? Sure, even if nobody historically conquered all of Ireland in EB's timeframe, or any of it for that matter. But if Rome had somehow managed to invade Ireland, do you really think they would not have tried to settle or subjugate in these "uninhabited" areas?
    We are dealing with limits. With 10 new factions it was necessary to increase the province numbers in certain areas to accomadate these. Ignoring the changes in the political nature of the EBII campaign due to these new factions would have been neglectful of us. Your argument would seem to support filling all areas of the map, which had some sort of conquerable value, with a province. I hope you won't mind if we tear out many provinces of the mediterranean to achieve this? Arabia could certainly use some provinces to fill in that middle gap, and so could Africa. Hmm, shall we get rid of Athens, or perhaps Messana? I joke of course, but as it being unfair, roleplay-wise, I see no reason to argue that at all. You could even role-play that you have conquered that part of Ireland by leaving an army in there (there might even be a permanent fort for you to hold). It seems to be odd for you to cry "shame" for the sake of role-play when it is that same role-play that often overcomes the limitations of the game (this decision included). Or perhaps thats my own perception of the matter.

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    Touché on the roleplaying point, Foot. I understand there are a lot of limitations you guys have to deal with, and I’m not expecting every culture and every tribe and every river and stream in Europe to be represented. I am by no means suggesting that any actual settlements be moved or changed, especially since I haven’t even seen the map. I respect the research and dedication that the team is doing, and by no means do I claim to be either an expert modder or historian. But in terms of provincial boundaries, is there any particular gameplay reason why the “Eremos” part of Ireland cannot be part of the Emain Machma province instead? Will it throw off the economy, or allow Bartix to steamroll the British isles? Is it an uninhabitable wasteland, where nobody would ever want to live? If it is only because the team feels that it’s ahistorical for someone to conquer all of Ireland by taking one settlement, then can’t the PSF’s be used? Or, if the team feels that there are no good candidates for such, can’t it have increased unrest, or high rebel spawn values or something? In the case of Arabia and Africa, there are much more obvious gameplay and geography reasons for leaving them to the Eremos province. If we’re going to reduce to the absurd, then obviously every mountaintop, swamp, or desert in the game should be part of Eremos as well, not to mention most of the steppes. Giving such small parts of different regions to Eremos just seems like an unorthodox, and potentially unaesthetic, way to represent these issues to me. The team obviously put a great deal of thought into this decision, so I’ll respect it, but it does make me curious, and maybe a little nervous, about what the rest of the campaign map will be like.

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    The Eremos Controversy is certainly one that's still raging and is quite a confusing one because it illustrates how issues of gameplay, aesthetics, technology, innovation, art, and others can come together in both productive as well as frustrating ways. Heraclitus told us to "expected the unexpected." This is certainly one stance you may take, but I say expect nothing. Then you shall surely not be disappointed, for there will be nothing that did not fulfill your expectations.

    P.S. I don't believe giving a province more surface area makes the province any wealthier in the TW system. I think wealth of provinces is controlled through other parameters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B_Ray View Post
    A minor point about west Ireland and central Scotland becoming Eremos: if (and only if) there are rebel army spawns in the Eremos region, the units composing them will have to be generic to the Arabian desert, the British Isles, and the Russian wilderness. So I'm guessing "random" rebel spawns will be out for Eremos. Scripted ones would be more likely.
    Good question... what is the answer of the EBTeam? It will be mercenaries and spawn armies in the Eremos region?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Epimetheus View Post
    Touché on the roleplaying point, Foot. I understand there are a lot of limitations you guys have to deal with, and I’m not expecting every culture and every tribe and every river and stream in Europe to be represented. I am by no means suggesting that any actual settlements be moved or changed, especially since I haven’t even seen the map. I respect the research and dedication that the team is doing, and by no means do I claim to be either an expert modder or historian. But in terms of provincial boundaries, is there any particular gameplay reason why the “Eremos” part of Ireland cannot be part of the Emain Machma province instead? Will it throw off the economy, or allow Bartix to steamroll the British isles? Is it an uninhabitable wasteland, where nobody would ever want to live? If it is only because the team feels that it’s ahistorical for someone to conquer all of Ireland by taking one settlement, then can’t the PSF’s be used? Or, if the team feels that there are no good candidates for such, can’t it have increased unrest, or high rebel spawn values or something? In the case of Arabia and Africa, there are much more obvious gameplay and geography reasons for leaving them to the Eremos province. If we’re going to reduce to the absurd, then obviously every mountaintop, swamp, or desert in the game should be part of Eremos as well, not to mention most of the steppes. Giving such small parts of different regions to Eremos just seems like an unorthodox, and potentially unaesthetic, way to represent these issues to me. The team obviously put a great deal of thought into this decision, so I’ll respect it, but it does make me curious, and maybe a little nervous, about what the rest of the campaign map will be like.
    well actually i could get used to the thought of having every swamp and moutaintop as a part of eremos ;)
    i'm wondering how that would turn out in actual gamplay
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    this seemingly benign topic does have some big implications into the balance gameplay/balance/accuracy/etc. interesting conversation

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    I scanned that all in by hand, by the way.


    Here's something that's very apropos: from Talking History on Newstalk.ie, a weekly radio programme in Ireland. The 27 March episode was all about "Celts", with input from historians, archaeologists and geneticists. It's available on iTunes as a podcast: just search the store for 'talking history' and pick the one from newstalk.ie. Well worth a listen.
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