EBOT 2011 June

[Kranos]

MY fist offficial tourney battle with LMT...and oops almost defeated but stil VICTORY
http://www.mediafire.com/?dr92s4dqnlpya36

[Burebista]

A lame win agains Lazyo . Not much but it's something.

http://www.mediafire.com/?g3v89vp7o3y2pg7

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Victory over ACS's Romans. Well played match.

http://www.mediafire.com/?dossn84ekfk8282

[Lazy O]

A lame win agains Lazyo . Not much but it's something.

http://www.mediafire.com/?g3v89vp7o3y2pg7

I request the jury to decide on that, my cavalry had barely moved a muscle and my infantry was at full strength, lines had not engaged when my power went out.

[vartan]

I request the jury to decide on that, my cavalry had barely moved a muscle and my infantry was at full strength, lines had not engaged when my power went out.

I'll take a look at the replay. In the meantime, Burebista, could you tell me if you got a message during play saying the opponent left and that his army would be controlled by the AI? I'm supposing that's what would happen. And I'm also assuming the replay wouldn't show when LazyO left battle. I don't think it records things like that. I'll try loading the replay later today if/when I get a chance.

[Lazy O]

No it didnt, my power went out before the lines collided, Burebista I presume did not notice the message and continued to fight the AI.

[Burebista]

I request the jury to decide on that, my cavalry had barely moved a muscle and my infantry was at full strength, lines had not engaged when my power went out.

Lazyo had a steppe army with 10 various archers in them . After 30 min of fighting , his missiles were spend but the casualties were 20 % for him and 9 % for me. in addition most of the 20 % were cavalry ( 3 groups of light HA , half a stack of catas , 2 halves of medium HA , 4 groups of foot archers halved) . My losses were mostly cretan archers and maybe half a stack of Cav.

He simulated a full scale assault and just when our lines were clashing , he disconnected , not only from the game , but from Hamachi too , and he didnt return for at least an hour , giving no explaination whatsoever.

In my view , it was a classical " things are not good , pull the plug " thing. If he had indeed got a crash , he should at least have contacted me asking for a rematch or smthing. he did not thus a clear "rage quit".

[Lazy O]

No it was a classical power outage, after which I went to sleep :). The things you killed were useless, Foot archers and normal HA, all my cataphracts were at full strength, and the alans were only had minimal casualties and were very much capable of inflicting alot of damage, if you have any doubts, just watch the rest of my replays and you will find that most of my foot archers die during the archer war which is NORMAL. If you want, we can schedule a rematch today, but I will be wary since the electricity situation currently is not very good. Foot archers were MEANT to be killed and the normal saka HA are useless once the arrows are gone, and btw, if you want your units not to be shot at while hidden, Dont move them ;P

[Burebista]

No it was a classical power outage, after which I went to sleep :). The things you killed were useless, Foot archers and normal HA, all my cataphracts were at full strength, and the alans were only had minimal casualties and were very much capable of inflicting alot of damage, if you have any doubts, just watch the rest of my replays and you will find that most of my foot archers die during the archer war which is NORMAL. If you want, we can schedule a rematch today, but I will be wary since the electricity situation currently is not very good. Foot archers were MEANT to be killed and the normal saka HA are useless once the arrows are gone, and btw, if you want your units not to be shot at while hidden, Dont move them ;P

Funny that you mention it now , and not on any occasion that i've been online.

Fine , i will rematch , but i do want the point from that match otherwise anyone who desn't like how the game is going will just pull the plug.

As for all that " catas is all i need to rule you " theory , all i know is that if someone plays steppe , he will usually try to get you at least to 50 % strength with 0 cav before his missiles run out to have a good change in melee against phalanxes/spearmen ( which i had 11 units of full strength + 1 Iberian assault inf + 3 HCav units)

[Lazy O]

I suggest you watch any of my replays , and you will figure out i dont give a rats arse whether you have 20 infantry and 5 cavalry. AS for that point, I still maintain my stand that my power went out, I had a battle against LMT which I lost, when my eles routed, I admitted defeat, im not stupid you know.

[vartan]

I have just seen the replay for the battle in question. It turns out that Carthage fielded an illegal army. If you remember, Carthage is specially allowed 15 mercenaries due to its military history. Note the army that Carthage fielded.

• 8 x Mercenary Celto-Hellenic Infantry
• 4 x Mercenary Cretan Archers
• 4 x Mercenary Hellenic Medium Phalanx
• 1 x Iberian Assault Infantry

• 2 x Iberian Heavy Cavalry
• 1 x Carthaginian Bodyguard

Note that Carthage brought 16 mercenaries, just beyond the allowed limit. LazyO's appeal is irrelevant in this case, as it turns out. This power outage does seem to be most interesting, however. Sometimes, I think, I could use a power outage myself.

Have fun gaming. Some 20 days remain in this tournament!

EDIT: I did some timing. It turns out that the replay is 1.5M frames long, and that Saka starts displaying AI behavior around 1.2M frames. This means that LazyO played 20 of the 25 minute battle. I can safely say that at around 20 minutes, the Saka player left the battle.

[Burebista]

DUH! Facepalm.
Totally forgot about making sure i have 5 factionals

[Lazy O]

Epic fail is so fail, so we still have a rematch :P ??

[Lazy O]

Victory vs Stormrage, bwahahahahah you cant catch me now, +4 BABY!!!!

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20422588/vsStorm2_rpy

[vartan]

Victory vs Stormrage, bwahahahahah you cant catch me now, +4 BABY!!!!

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20422588/vsStorm2_rpy

Are you sure this wasn't a friendly? I remember you two playing a friendly earlier and I just want to make sure.

[Lazy O]

No, this was not a friendly .

[Kranos]

AGA wins against Celtic Viking ..no more g*y comentaries http://www.mediafire.com/?b1wiyhdqylekuif

[Lazy O]

Good good, now since you both are presumably at an equal skill level , why dont you just fight 10 more battles so I dont have to fight any more tourney and win the whole thing :D

[vartan]

First score report up on the original post now.

[gamegeek2]

gg2 defeats LMT. Well played!

http://www.mediafire.com/?inbjov84qbfeu44

[Kival]

Another victory for lazyo, this time against my aedui:

http://ul.to/lqzsmmoy

[lmt96]

Lazyo is really steamrolling everyone ~

[antisocialmunky]

Stop being feeders.

[Lazy O]

If only I had more opponents like you and GG2 :D

[gamegeek2]

gg2 takes down LazyO, per request of Kival!

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20450330/battle.rpy

[Kranos]

AGATHODAIMON Pontic army had enjoyed like never before the Saka's dead horse smell....insane victory of AGA on Sith Lazyo

http://www.mediafire.com/?e23cj2w2a2ij3bk

[lmt96]

Great! Congratulations Aga!

[gamegeek2]

Ha! Now it's AGA at the top of the standings!

I'll have to get that rematch before I head off to the middle of nowhere...

[Lazy O]

Not really, its you,me and aga tied at no.1 :D

[Kival]

The Celtic Viking told me that one of my armies were not legal becaue boii swordsmen are not factional. I did not know this until now, and fear that other of my matches were illegal, too.

In fact my victory against AGA was with a boii-based army, too. I can understand if it does not count anymore, but in general i do not understand why they are not factional whereas e.g. Noricene Gaecori (Noricum Spearmen) are factional.

The possibility to use boii swordsmen is plausible for an increasing celtic power, they are celtic in core and have no own faction to whom they are factional. Surely they are not troops of the aedui but belgae units and pictones and naked fanatics etc. are also not really troops of the aedui.

I would ask for the boii to be included in the factional troop list for gameplay purposes (greater flexibility) and logic reasons (boii are gauls and are not more non-aedui as celtic axemen for excample).