Europe Day

[gaelic cowboy]

Name one.

If you require a longer lasting bulb incandescent bulbs can be made to last for many many thousands upon thousands of hours instead of the usual 1000 or so they actually did.(purely because of the light bulb manufacturers)

Speed of ilumination is quicker and they do not flicker with age or with low temperature

[HoreTore]

no, but your implication that Norway isn't a 'proper' democracy, because it isn't in the EU, is. if that is indeed what you allude to by mention of china. :)

Uhm..... No, that's not what I meant at all. Kinda surprised how you managed to draw that conclusion....

[Furunculus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ycg...layer_embedded

Happy EUSSR day

awesome vid frags.

[HoreTore]

If you require a longer lasting bulb incandescent bulbs they can be made to last for many many thousands upon thousands of hours instead of the usual 1000 or so they actually did.(purely because of the light bulb manufacturers)

Speed of ilumination is quicker and they do not flicker with age or with low temperature

Thousands upon thousands, eh? A bog standard flourescent bulb lasts 10-15.000 hours.

They flicker in the cold? My fathers work lamps have always been flourescent, and I've never seen any flickering in the cold Norwegian winters. The outside lighting at the army base in Bardufoss, Northern Norway, a frozen hell-hole was also flourescent. Never noticed any flickering there either.

Speed of illumination is quicker? An old myth. They can be as quick as anyone could need. Motion activated light needs the bulb to activate very quickly, and most of them have been flourescent for years now.

I don't need you to list any pros and cons. I just need one actual situation where the old beats the new.



But not that it matters anyway. The law forces the change for the regular consumer, and for a regular consumer there is absolutely zero reason to use an old bulb. The reluctance we see is nothing but a fear-reflex over new stuff and hate towards a changing world.

[gaelic cowboy]

Incandescent bulbs can last decades.

But not that it matters anyway. The law forces the change for the regular consumer, and for a regular consumer there is absolutely zero reason to use an old bulb. The reluctance we see is nothing but a fear-reflex over new stuff and hate towards a changing world.

By the way you make it sound like I would prevent flourscent bulbs purely because it came from the EU, my point is banning a perfectly serviceable technology from a missguided attempt to save energy is silly.

Proper plans for lighting in ones homes and business are the key to energy efficiency if you set out maximize natural light and work out usage patterns it's far more effective than just changing bulbs.

[drone]

Dimmer switches and CFLs do not mix. My biggest complaint (and I use CFLs when possible).

[gaelic cowboy]

Dimmer switches and CFLs do not mix. My biggest complaint (and I use CFLs when possible).

Thats because you can reduce voltage on an incandescent bulb, this can be used then in a situation where it may be inaccessible a lot of the time allied with the lower voltage it can allow a longer life.

[Furunculus]

lol, a debate about the correct form of light-bulbs is very worthy, and very EU i might add, but it is hardly pertinent to the greater ambitions we celebrate in europe day, surely?

[gaelic cowboy]

lol, a debate about the correct form of light-bulbs is very worthy, and very EU i might add, but it is hardly pertinent to the greater ambitions we celebrate in europe day, surely?

I couldnt pass it up Furunculus my good man, every time I hear talk of energy saving bulbs and windmills and various other schemes without actually looking at the entire picture it makes me want to scream.

[HoreTore]

Dimmer switches and CFLs do not mix. My biggest complaint (and I use CFLs when possible).

They most certainly do!

Just look for bulbs that say "compatible with dimming".

If you have a mac and buy software that doesn't say it's compatible with macs and it doesn't work, would you say that macs and software don't mix?

[gaelic cowboy]

Just look for bulbs that say "compatible with dimming".

They are special type of bulb and are strictly limited in there dimming as too low a voltage cut the life of the bulb

Anyway enough about bulbs back to the OP

Happy Eur no sorry I cannot do it, honestly I like europe but this is just some silly EU makey uppy lark that basically wastes everyones time

[HoreTore]

They are special type of bulb and are strictly limited in there dimming as too low a voltage cut the life of the bulb

If your dimming needs aren't covered by flourescent bulbs, simply buy leds. Miles better than the obsolete tech bulb.

[Louis VI the Fat]

lol, a debate about the correct form of light-bulbs is very worthy, and very EU i might add, but it is hardly pertinent to the greater ambitions we celebrate in europe day, surely?

Hah! At last, the beauty of the European project is beginning to dawn on you!

Europe was born on the ninth of may, one day after the eight, which marks the end of half a century of European self-destruction. A destruction coming from so many sides, driven by so many ideologies, that the one remedy was thought to be to smother endemic European disagreement in detailed talk over lightbulbs and babana curvature. Genius. The way you keep twenty-five eight year old boys off each other's throat by expending their energy by letting them play cowboys and indians outside.


For this reason, once the European project is completed, I will demand it is immediately dismantled again, and the process started all over. Because the project itself, not unification or any other future goal, is the ultimate meaning of the EU.


Hail the EU! Hail the world's greatest continent!

[gaelic cowboy]

If your dimming needs aren't covered by flourescent bulbs, simply buy leds. Miles better than the obsolete tech bulb.

Right one last point and this really is the last one voltage is a big concern with LED tech adding cost to the installation.

Hah! At last, the beauty of the European project is beginning to dawn on you!

Europe was born on the ninth of may, one day after the eight, which marks the end of half a century of European self-destruction. A destruction coming from so many sides, driven by so many ideologies, that the one remedy was thought to be to smother endemic European disagreement in detailed talk over lightbulbs and babana curvature. Genius. The way you keep twenty-five eight year old boys off each other's throat by expending their energy by letting them play cowboys and indians outside.


For this reason, once the European project is completed, I will demand it is immediately dismantled again, and the process started all over. Because the project itself, not unification or any other future goal, is the ultimate meaning of the EU.


Hail the EU! Hail the world's greatest continent!

Now on to the real issues tea with milk or milk with tea.

[Furunculus]

I couldnt pass it up Furunculus my good man, every time I hear talk of energy saving bulbs and windmills and various other schemes without actually looking at the entire picture it makes me want to scream.

well, they are rubbish, for my father with poor eyesight after a lifetime of reading they are like a prison sentence............... which is why he bought a couple of hundred for storage in the garage before stocks ran out.

[gaelic cowboy]

The idea was noble but in practice an unwanted intrusion far better to implement rules on domestic houses to having a proper lighting plan.

It should not be a case that flourescent is good incandescent bad the pisture is far more complicated than that, we didnt ban hods or wheelbarrows cos somone invented the teleporter now did we.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Flouresecent bulbs are crap because they take half an hour to light up, I dont' even bother using the ones in my house.

[Beskar]

All it proves is that the union needs to be stronger and there needs to be more stripping away of the nation state and the enforcement of democracy at a European level.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

All it proves is that the union needs to be stronger and there needs to be more stripping away of the nation state and the enforcement of democracy at a European level.

Enforcement of Democracy.

Tripping merrily in to Stalinism again, Beskar.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Enforcement of Democracy.

Tripping merrily in to Stalinism again, Beskar.

Imagine that...democracy being enforced. Stalinism indeed.


Next Europe is going to enforce liberty and human rights too.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Imagine that...democracy being enforced. Stalinism indeed.


Next Europe is going to enforce liberty and human rights too.

The question is why do they feel they have the right to enforce it at the European level without any popular support.

[Beskar]

Making institutions democratically accountable is Stalinism?

I thought I was meant to be the communist, PVC, looks like you been reading too much USSR Propaganda.

[Cute Wolf]

so, let's clone Napoleon and put him as Emperor!

[Fragony]

Kewl, in a secret meeting the EUSSR decided that the Netherlands must give free money to Greece so they can stop working at 55. What was said we don't know as we weren't invited, we are too critical and the EUSSR does not accept doubt. Lalala CASH NOW. Another happy Europe day

[Sarmatian]

Kewl, in a secret meeting the EUSSR decided that the Netherlands must give free money to Greece so they can stop working at 55. What was said we don't know as we weren't invited, we are too critical and the EUSSR does not accept doubt. Lalala CASH NOW. Another happy Europe day

C'mon, be reasonable. You have plenty and Greeks can't keep receiving higher pensions than Germans otherwise.

You should demand a free holiday, though.

[Fragony]

C'mon, be reasonable. You have plenty and Greeks can't keep receiving higher pensions than Germans otherwise.

You should demand a free holiday, though.

Sure our inner calvinist loves the idea of good works till the age of 67 to pay for these hairy feta-gobblers' socialism

edit: BG I am angry at you as well

Celtic meow gawd

Hi Ronin!

any Spanish

[HoreTore]

The question is why do they feel they have the right to enforce it at the European level without any popular support.

Why do we feel we have the right to enforce democracy in Russia, where Putin has overwhelming support?

How dare we enforce rights and liberties upon those who would rather be slaves?!

[Furunculus]

we don't enforce democracy in russia, where did you get that idea?

[HoreTore]

we don't enforce democracy in russia, where did you get that idea?

That's because we don't have the strength to do it, not because we don't want to.

[Furunculus]

have we enforced democracy on belarus?