EBOT June 2011 - MP EDU - Feedback needed.

[gamegeek2]

So, as you all know, Vartan has recently revived the old EB Online Tournaments. He has given me permission to create a new multiplayer EDU for EB 1.2, for use in online play.

This was the result: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A0ANCFY6

Please read the documentation or look in the actual EDU itself to examine it. People intimately familiar with the EDU, I definitely want some feedback. Thank you.

Approximately 95% of changes have been documented. There were several tweaks that fall along the line of what the others were, that were not recorded. All major changes in stats have been fully documented (i.e. melee shortsword lethality raised to 0.15).

REMEMBER IT WILL BE UNDER UPDATE UNTIL MAY 22ND.

One important note: the new stats are designed so that pre-Marian Romans can use 36k without being OP

[Lazy O]

@Vartan; Did you contact the guy I told you about?

[vartan]

@Vartan; Did you contact the guy I told you about?

The Sith member in RCC? If so, why? what for?

P.S. Don't mind my memory. I have a problem.

[Lazy O]

Yes, ask him to have a look. Hes fairly experienced wit hthis EDU stuff

[The Celtic Viking]

I'm always sceptical when it comes to changing the actual stats of units. After all, they were set and balanced by the team already using some special formula. Messing with it can mess up the balance, and if the reason for this is only to remove the need for pre-marian romans to use less than 36k, then this would be taking the long, dark road with orcs, goblins and Michael Moore when there's a sunny and easy path offering you promiscuous women, beer and me that you could take.

I'm talking of course of increasing the cost of the Roman units. This is not just easier, it's downright sensible, as they've been given a discount for purely strategic reasons, reasons that shouldn't effect single battles such as MP ones. The problem, of course, is that I don't know how big the discount is, or for which units exactly it operates on (for example, is it just Roman units, or does it effect italian allies as well?). That's a fair criticism, but as a member of the EB team, if you don't know the answer to this already, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to find out. Even if you couldn't do this, it's not as if changing the stats of other factions' units would or even could be exact either, so the criticism would be working both ways.

[Lazy O]

They were set up for use in a single player game. I for one, support this EDU even though I havent seen it, for the single reason that people recognized that stats cant be the same for SP and MP.

And regarding roman units, I consider their price fair, but the fact that they have more units in cohorts is stupid. Just remove that and bring them back to normal, ALL infantry units (im not talking levy and elites) should be a standard size, because this is tactical play, the reasons for there being some units more than others is strategic, and should not affect MP. And please dont increase the cost of the Romans, theyre too weak. Their spammability ( I MADE A WORD) I guess is the only protection from 12 units of cavalry.

[vartan]

One important note: the new stats are designed so that pre-Marian Romans can use 36k without being OP

Cheers. Do we still need to indicate elite pre-Marian units and place limits on how many you can get?

[gamegeek2]

EDIT: NVM NOT NECESSARY.

[vartan]

I intend to make a single player version of this, with all unit ownership adusted to the SP version, able to be used in campaign, but mainly for replay viewing.

We talked about this after you posted this. You hadn't seen the MP load replay mod. But if people want their SP unit stats to keep up with the newest developments in MP (think DNA mutations for the better), then that'd be cool for them. I'm guessing only doing stat value changes wouldn't ruin save games, right? So people could keep updating their EDU without restarting campaigns.