Slower conversion rate and more rebellions

**drone** · 06-28-2011, 15:50

Welcome to the Org, Kolvorok!

Unfortunately, some things about the game are hardcoded. The happiness effect of the faction leader across the empire is one, as is the conversion rate to the faction's religion. gollum is on the money with the building conversion rates though, they give both a happiness bonus and a high conversion rate, which knocks back the chance of rebellion quickly. Another point, the religious buildings are in separate building lines, so the bonuses for happiness and conversion stack. A Church and a Monastery will give a combined total of +30% to happiness, and 20% conversion. The standard Bishop is only 2% conversion.

You are correct in how to change the province unrest factor in the startpos file. The building conversion is set in the build_prod file, column 22 (Faith Propagation). The conversion for agents is in the unit_prod file, column 67 (Faith). I think any unit can be set to add conversion, for grins you could make Ghazis or Fanatics convert a small amount. I've always thought that Ports/Merchants might be a good place to throw in a small conversion rate for all religions (even Jews/Heretics/Pagans), more contact with the outside world would encourage religious experimentation and immigration, and might liven things up a bit.

**gollum** · 06-28-2011, 16:55

Thank you for adding details for our new friend drone. It wasn't for lack of effort that i was not more specific, but because i have not the game at hand and did not remember the cols in question :)

**Stazi** · 06-28-2011, 18:40

Just some of my thoughts.
As gollum said AI can't handle high rebellious provinces properly. Happiness in such provinces fluctuates constantly so the AI loses them sooner or later (probably sooner). Big garrisons don't change much cause rebel armies are scaled up to the size of garrison. Low rebelliousness help to keep the AI's empires together. The same goes for buildings that improve happiness and shorten the time of religious conversion. If the AI has less problems with managing its own empire it becomes a greater threat to the player. The constant struggle with rebels makes the AI's empires small and insignificant. Of course, things that help the AI, helps player too but the player is much more versatile and can handle much more difficult situations than the AI. IMO the best way to make the game more challenging is to make it easy for the AI.

Before you start to make major changes try to check some of the existing mods. For example Redux is the mod where rebels are really strong. On the other side is probably XL mod (piles of money > huge armies and garrisons > high happiness > rare rebellions and big empires). Somewhere in the middle is the Caravel mod which gives the most balanced gameplay. These mods will save you much of the testing. You can just copy the solutions which suit you best

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**Kolvorok** · 06-29-2011, 09:07

Thanks alot for the quick and informative replies everyone, and thank you for the warm welcome also

I think there is a point in making things easier for the AI, so I will leave rebellion probability the way it is but change the conversion rates caused by buildings and agents very low. I guess this will make the pace of the game slower but maybe more realistic and hopefully more difficult for me because fast conquest won´t be possible anymore.

Just wondering that if I build for example a church to a mostly muslim province, will that cause unrest?

Originally Posted by drone

I've always thought that Ports/Merchants might be a good place to throw in a small conversion rate for all religions (even Jews/Heretics/Pagans), more contact with the outside world would encourage religious experimentation and immigration, and might liven things up a bit.

I don't have the game files available right now, but is it possible to make buildings and/or agents to convert people to other religion than your own? I mean, it would be kind of realistic that a university would convert people to heresy for example

This goes slightly offtopic, but is it possible to make faction re-emerging more likely to happen?

EDIT: If I change the building and agent conversion rates in the middle of my current campaign, will I be able to use my old save games?

**Stazi** · 06-29-2011, 10:15

Just wondering that if I build for example a church to a mostly muslim province, will that cause unrest?

No. Dependencies system is not so sophisticated. Church is just a building that increase happiness and spread faith. It's role is to reduce the chance of unrest.

I don't have the game files available right now, but is it possible to make buildings and/or agents to convert people to other religion than your own? I mean, it would be kind of realistic that a university would convert people to heresy for example

Agents can spread any faith you want. Buildings only your own.

This goes slightly offtopic, but is it possible to make faction re-emerging more likely to happen?

AFAIK no. It depends on how many heirs the faction had when disappeared, what age they were, actual happiness of it's old provinces. Even if all of these factors are covered it still needs lucky dice roll to reemerge.