EB Online EDU v2.1 - RELEASE!

[vartan]

First, slingers should not be able to take out archers. You shouldn't be aiming at archers with your slingers to begin with. Second, even if changes are to be made, it isn't to the archers, it's to the slingers. By the way, you could give any unit the lowest attack integer of 1 and they'd still kill. If I understand the system correctly, it has a minimum chance to kill. There's a reason why even if your attack is lower than the enemy's armour, you can still kill that enemy. It isn't as straightforward as attack minus defense.

[-Stormrage-]

4 slingers SHOULD be able to DEVASTATE armoured archers VARTAN>\, especially since the archers in question have no hseild just tons of armour. I think the base attakc of the slingers hsould be raised to increase the chance of a kill on impact. i mean with 240 stones falling down on 80 men and only 3 dye, some of the stones must have hit them en but the men didnt die becuase they have so much armour. so that the man dies on impazt or atleast a 50 percent chance of death. 3 kills out of a possible 240 thats insane where the hell did the other rocks go lol. im assuming some stones hit but didnt do anything to the archer is that the way it should work ?

[Kival]

First, slingers should not be able to take out archers. You shouldn't be aiming at archers with your slingers to begin with.

I'd slightly disagree here, against heavy archers it's actually not a bad idea to use slingers.

im assuming some stones hit but didnt do anything to the archer is that the way it should work ?

Sure. Some attacks does not even hit (that's for missiles only), most attacks are stopped by armour, shield and defense (that's for melee only) and some attacks do not kill but only throw the enemy down (that's for melee only). That's the system. It would be crazy if every hitting stone would kill the unit.

Just to let you know: It's mentioned that in fact the imperial archers used shields, they should get MORE defense against missiles not less.

EDIT: Every reduction of armour would make the archer weaker against everything not only against slingers.

[vartan]

I'd slightly disagree here, against heavy archers it's actually not a bad idea to use slingers.

Trust me. You don't want to attack any archers with your slingers, unless you want to lose all of your slingers. Do you want to lose all of your slingers? That's the question. When you have a 60 man slinger unit against an archer unit of 80 men that was born to kill those 60 men of yours, is it really worth losing your 60 men and up to 600 or so mnai investment, only to take out 100 or 200 mnai worth of archers (a handful of men)?

[Kival]

Trust me. You don't want to attack any archers with your slingers, unless you want to lose all of your slingers. Do you want to lose all of your slingers? That's the question. When you have a 60 man slinger unit against an archer unit of 80 men that was born to kill those 60 men of yours, is it really worth losing your 60 men and up to 600 or so mnai investment, only to take out 100 or 200 mnai worth of archers (a handful of men)?

Perhaps this actually is what I want. The archers would devestate my more valuable units perhaps and it seemd to be useless to use a bad archer unit against them. It will have no chance at all, I thought, but now I've reconsidered it and the difference is not that big. I thought it would be like 3 vs 10 for the bad archer or 2 vs 5 for the chevroned slinger but one could actually chevron the bad archer and get a 4vs10 which would be the same as 2vs5.

[-Stormrage-]

Trust me. You don't want to attack any archers with your slingers, unless you want to lose all of your slingers. Do you want to lose all of your slingers? That's the question. When you have a 60 man slinger unit against an archer unit of 80 men that was born to kill those 60 men of yours, is it really worth losing your 60 men and up to 600 or so mnai investment, only to take out 100 or 200 mnai worth of archers (a handful of men)?

Ok, Vartan what if it is not a 60 man slinger against a 80 man archer, what if it is 240 slingers VS. 80 archers? and when you say archers are BORN TO KILL THESE MEN. The fact is VARTAN! that slingers are like wise born to kill this type of archer, does the word anti Armour mean anything to you. As archers are BORN to kill light units, slingers are likewise BORN to kill heavy unsheided units. As you stated the archers are doing what they are supposed to be doing slingers are getting devastated by archer fire, but our problem is heavy archers are NOT getting scratched by slingers. you claim that 80 man archers were born to kill 60 man slingers and i agree but are 240 slingers not born to kill 80 man archers?

[vartan]

240 slingers against 80 archers is overkill. Are you alright?

EDIT: Honestly, are you okay? Why are you attacking 4 to 1? No wonder you're losing your battles.

[Kival]

Stormrage you fail to consider that most slinger units are only levy troops not professional soldiers. They lack the training of the better archers. They cost less not without reason. Also you should understand that armour does not weaken a unit. A normal archer unit will win against a normal slinger and obviously the chances will not be better against an armoured archer. Slingers just have better chances to kill (very) heavy armoured units than archers but that does not mean they will win against heavy archers because the archers are also very good in killing the slingers. Another point you need to consider are the different ballistic curves. It's much easier to prevent units being hit by slingers than being hit by archers.

Your 240 slingers will kill 80 archers but not with ONE volley but with a dozen perhaps.

[-Stormrage-]

I have a friend that has experience with EDU's ill ask him about this .Maybe it is something more complicated then armour or attack maybe it has something to do with velocity, mass, weight ,(etc.), of the stone itself.