why did the west commit to multiculturalism?

[Centurion1]

And I was joking as well. Chinatown's and in fact most ethnic neighborhoods are a nightmare to investigate a crime in. Try living in one. It wouldn't be the most welcoming of environments.

[Fragony]

And I was joking as well. Chinatown's and in fact most ethnic neighborhoods are a nightmare to investigate a crime in. Try living in one. It wouldn't be the most welcoming of environments.

What makes you assume there aren't any here, you will find Chinese quarters in evey western-europian city. Crime, not noticed any

[Papewaio]

I'm only 1.84 Asians are just small. And a bit girly I might add

Same, and yes in general... particularly some of the Thai ones.generally the Thai girls are quite pretty... just be careful around the very pretty ones. She walks like a women...

[Centurion1]

What makes you assume there aren't any here, you will find Chinese quarters in evey western-europian city. Crime, not noticed any

Where did I say western Europe didn't have china towns i am tired of things being pulled out of thin air.

Gangs and human trafficking are bad in Chinatowns and people often tend not to talk to those from "outside"

[Hax]

What makes you assume there aren't any here, you will find Chinese quarters in evey western-europian city. Crime, not noticed any

Bull. Two seconds of Google.

In fact, recently I read Rob Wijnberg's book "Nietzsche en Kant lezen de krant". He also pointed out the presence of illegal casinos in most Chinese restaurants.

[Centurion1]

Bull. Two seconds of Google.

In fact, recently I read Rob Wijnberg's book "Nietzsche en Kant lezen de krant". He also pointed out the presence of illegal casinos in most Chinese restaurants.

Thank you Hax.

[Hax]

Eh, at least I chose the academic way. Could have picked the musician's way:

"Criminal activity in Chinatown? It is a tale, best explained in song!"

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[drone]

I witnessed a huge gang fight in a Chinatown neighborhood. It got broken up by these three guys with big hats, but my truck got stolen. You wouldn't believe the hell I had to go through to get it back.

[Strike For The South]

I never claimed any of what is being attributed to me. I simply call it like I see it

[Louis VI the Fat]

I witnessed a huge gang fight in a Chinatown neighborhood. It got broken up by these three guys with big hats, but my truck got stolen. You wouldn't believe the hell I had to go through to get it back.

Man, sounds like you were in big trouble.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I never claimed any of what is being attributed to me. I simply call it like I see it

B..but you were right. Europeans really are all creepy little fascists, endlessly obsessing about the racial make-up of their own and of their neighbours.

I wish I would've come up with it.

[Strike For The South]

B..but you were right. Europeans really are all creepy little fascists, endlessly obsessing about the racial make-up of their own and of their neighbours.

I wish I would've come up with it.

At least somebody got the reference LOL

I will be a good boy I will be a good boy

[Louis VI the Fat]

Depends on what you mean by European. Most immigrants are still European after all. But if you narrow Europe a bit so that for example former Jugoslavia ends up as not European, then you're correct. So there's less than 90% of a western European population yes. (Swedish data is 14% foreign born, of those are 60% European. The group born with 2 immigrant parents makes this larger, but I'm not finding the data for that one. It exists but isn't at the same location).

Anything south of Rome and Valencia is Africa, anything east of Vienna is Asia.

Only 14% may be foreign born, but most non-whites in Europe are European born. Percentage foreign born is not the same as percentage of non-whites, which is often what is meant meant when people speak of immigrants.
Immigrants usually immigrate at child-bearing age. Then they all breed like rabb Non-European immigrants of low social status commonly have high to very high birth rates. Two foreign born immigrants who arrived in 1971 may have spawned five, ten, twenty European born non-whites. The more, the lower the percentage of foreign born in that country will be.

There is an odd mechaniosm in Paris. Some of the wealthier areas have a very high percentage foreign born. These are mostly from the EU / highly educated / urban professionals / temporary inhabitants ranging from students to expats. Overwhelmingly upper class and white. Then there are areas where nearly everybody is French born. But the locals consist of low class natives and Africans, mostly third and fourth generation. A complete ghetto. Overwhelmingly lower class and Black / Beur.

XIII

Try the XX for a fun race war between the East Asians and the Africans. Waging as we speak. The latter discovered the Asians carry lots of cash, because of their many dealings at the periphery of the law.
Unlike whites, the Chinese don't stand for mass racist plunder. They fight back. Stories abound of Arabs running to the police station with stolen goods, begging to be taken into custody, they're that afraid of the Chinese. Awesome.

[Fragony]

Bull. Two seconds of Google.

In fact, recently I read Rob Wijnberg's book "Nietzsche en Kant lezen de krant". He also pointed out the presence of illegal casinos in most Chinese restaurants.

All Chinese restaurants get shaken down by Chinese mafia, there is crime but it is among themselves, Chinese prefer to be unnoticed. You are perfectly safe in Chinese area's

@Centurion, misunderstood you, wasn't trying to put words in your mouth

[Furunculus]

I witnessed a huge gang fight in a Chinatown neighborhood. It got broken up by these three guys with big hats, but my truck got stolen. You wouldn't believe the hell I had to go through to get it back.

good job you have a granite jaw, it's tough down there in little china!

[Ironside]

Anything south of Rome and Valencia is Africa, anything east of Vienna is Asia.

Only 14% may be foreign born, but most non-whites in Europe are European born. Percentage foreign born is not the same as percentage of non-whites, which is often what is meant meant when people speak of immigrants.
Immigrants usually immigrate at child-bearing age. Then they all breed like rabb Non-European immigrants of low social status commonly have high to very high birth rates. Two foreign born immigrants who arrived in 1971 may have spawned five, ten, twenty European born non-whites. The more, the lower the percentage of foreign born in that country will be.

There is an odd mechaniosm in Paris. Some of the wealthier areas have a very high percentage foreign born. These are mostly from the EU / highly educated / urban professionals / temporary inhabitants ranging from students to expats. Overwhelmingly upper class and white. Then there are areas where nearly everybody is French born. But the locals consist of low class natives and Africans, mostly third and fourth generation. A complete ghetto. Overwhelmingly lower class and Black / Beur.

How does Poland count?

Can't speak for Europe, but at least in Sweden the second generation is clearly integrating on average. That includes less children.

But you're right that they increase the number by around 40% in Stockholm (using the old definition of being second generation immigrant if one parent is an to immigrant) to around 37% (Stockholm is above average). I think total number is about 21% for "Swedes with foreign backround" that category. Debatable source, but I don't think they felt need to lie about that.

[Adrian II]

Anything south of Rome and Valencia is Africa, anything east of Vienna Bonn is Asia.

Had to fix that.

Unlike whites, the Chinese don't stand for mass racist plunder. They fight back. Stories abound of Arabs running to the police station with stolen goods, begging to be taken into custody, they're that afraid of the Chinese. Awesome.

It's the same in Russian enclaves. And Russkis are white. Anyhoo, I guess I should do the XX one of these years.

AII

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Depends on the Russian, surely. Some are Black Slavs.

[gaelic cowboy]

Try the XX for a fun race war between the East Asians and the Africans. Waging as we speak. The latter discovered the Asians carry lots of cash, because of their many dealings at the periphery of the law.
Unlike whites, the Chinese don't stand for mass racist plunder. They fight back. Stories abound of Arabs running to the police station with stolen goods, begging to be taken into custody, they're that afraid of the Chinese. Awesome.

Bah it only takes a bit of back bone Louis, I remember back when Nigerian illegal immigration started to Ireland they thought they would own the place in a week, god help them but they were clueless the poor dears.

They soon had sore heads from been thrown through shop windows on Moore street, crime in Ireland is white an regulated by the RA, with plenty of white ghetto underclasses in Limerick and Crumlin.

[Rhyfelwyr]

They soon had sore heads from been thrown through shop windows on Moore street, crime in Ireland is white an regulated by the RA, with plenty of white ghetto underclasses in Limerick and Crumlin.

I can believe it. I've was visiting family over in Belfast for the last few days. Spent most of it in/around the Newtonards Road, and was in the Tigers Bay earlier today. You don't have to have brown people (TM) to have a ghetto.

[Kralizec]

They soon had sore heads from been thrown through shop windows on Moore street, crime in Ireland is white an regulated by the RA, with plenty of white ghetto underclasses in Limerick and Crumlin.

Irish "jobs" for Irish criminals?

[Koga No Goshi]

I think it had mostly to do with economics. Immigration tends to be heralded by the elite who prefer more people to rule over, cheaper goods and services domestically to compete with wages globally.. Certain nations were seeing major growth levels and most of those levels were from population booms. Most things are desired for financial gains and then sold to the public in ways that they will understand - guilt, new foods, new and better beard designs, etc.It was always funny have the first American states to allow women to vote, did so to fluff up their populations in congress. Other states saw this benefit and sold it to their people. Of course, there are already people who strongly believe in certain things and popular swells, but quite a bit of that is a new thing; things happening because people actually want it on their own.Look at nations who refuse to accept immigration- the ones who are seeing growth are the ones who have an invisible population that are now becoming visible, a simulated rural to urban immigration. The ones who are struggling have hit a wall where the entire population is now visible and dwindling.Mobile typing is a great excuse for poor paragraph form

I have a history of disagreeing with TuffStuffMcGruff, but I think he hit the nail on the head here. I think the primary driving factor for allowing immigration is because it allows a cheap labor supply to whatever industry needs it in the host country-- agriculture, low end service, whatever else. As to the 'policy rationalizations' for immigration, I doubt very much that politicians are sitting around hashing out the finer points of multiculturalism or the imperialist legacy of the west-- I'm sorry but the first two posters in this thread assigned WAY too high an assumption of education and IQ to the typical politician, lol.

[gaelic cowboy]

Irish "jobs" for Irish criminals?

indeed

[Strike For The South]

I have a history of disagreeing with TuffStuffMcGruff, but I think he hit the nail on the head here. I think the primary driving factor for allowing immigration is because it allows a cheap labor supply to whatever industry needs it in the host country-- agriculture, low end service, whatever else. As to the 'policy rationalizations' for immigration, I doubt very much that politicians are sitting around hashing out the finer points of multiculturalism or the imperialist legacy of the west-- I'm sorry but the first two posters in this thread assigned WAY too high an assumption of education and IQ to the typical politician, lol.

We've been waiting for you

[Koga No Goshi]

Heya Strike! I still have some friendly Pm's from you saved in my inbox after all these years. ;) Been a long time.

[Subotan]

Irish "jobs" for Irish criminals?

The Quarians are coming to take our jobs!

[Kagemusha]

How does Poland count?

Can't speak for Europe, but at least in Sweden the second generation is clearly integrating on average. That includes less children.

But you're right that they increase the number by around 40% in Stockholm (using the old definition of being second generation immigrant if one parent is an to immigrant) to around 37% (Stockholm is above average). I think total number is about 21% for "Swedes with foreign backround" that category. Debatable source, but I don't think they felt need to lie about that.

Are Swedish Finns counted on those numbers?

[Koga No Goshi]

The sociological average of immigrant communities entering a host countries that applies across all groups is:

1) First generation NEVER loses their original tongue as a primary first language, and it is most usually the only language they speak in the home and with fellow community members.

2) Second generation is usually bilingual and often acts as translators for the first generation or grandparents or relatives.

3) Third generation has typically lost the original language and their strongest ties to the original culture of origin is food.

That's across all groups. There's of course going to be exceptions and outliers or cases where one community holds onto customs/language a bit longer or a bit shorter than average, but in the big general picture, that's the sociological fact when it comes to immigrant groups entering a larger host mainstream culture.

Whenever people talk about something like "oh but this group is different, they don't WANT to adapt", it's usually just prejudice dolled up as something else. First generation immigrants of any sort rarely WANT to lose their culture or language, however much there are instances of "well my grandaddy came here and learned English right away and refused to speak German" or whatever else, those were usually coping mechanisms for dealing with periods of time where there was a lot of anti-immigrant sentiment or whatever else, moreso than someone actually desperately wanting to shed their own background and heritage. But you can find groups of EVERY background bemoaning the loss of language and culture in their 2nd and 3rd generations after being in a new country... it's pretty much just an unavoidable happening.

These kinds of criticisms about "not wanting to adapt/learn our language/assimilate" are ALWAYS directed against the newest, least popular group. In Europe it's the Muslims, in the U.S. it's Spanish speakers. But I took Spanish classes in high school with *plenty* of 2nd and 3rd generation or even 1.5 generation Latino kids who could not fully speak or fully read and write their own "original language" outside of minor round-the-dinner-table conversational Spanish with mom and dad.

Why do "they don't WANT to adapt" arguments superficially appear to be valid? Because they're nearly always directed against new groups that are primarily first generation or the 2nd generation is fresh/kid/school age. But almost invariably the 2nd generation will have the host country language as their first language.

[Ironside]

Are Swedish Finns counted on those numbers?

You're a separate country are you not? Yes, it's the largest group.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The sociological average of immigrant communities entering a host countries that applies across all groups is:

1) First generation NEVER loses their original tongue as a primary first language, and it is most usually the only language they speak in the home and with fellow community members.

2) Second generation is usually bilingual and often acts as translators for the first generation or grandparents or relatives.

3) Third generation has typically lost the original language and their strongest ties to the original culture of origin is food.

Except that the current "Second Generation" Muslims in Britain and elsewhere are less integrated and appreciative of their host country than their parents. They are reactionary, in many cases very deeply, in a few murderously.