[EB MP]3.0 Thread - Testing and Updates

**gamegeek2** · 08-23-2011, 21:40

To answer questions:

Aper, I did not ignore you. That was eliminated first thing when I started doing the Eastern units.

Levy archers are definitely getting an accuracy boost, but don't expect high kill rates at a distance of 180 meters, please! This will especially be true of horse archers, expect to need to close in order to achieve good kill rates with your limited 45 arrows.

You guys can now expect the Sweboz in addition to toe other factions in the next update. Expect them to be significantly better than in 2.1.1; for example, the Woithiz Watha will now have warcry, and Dugunthiz will come with 90 men and 20 defense, as well as a javelin attack of 10, high accuracy, and 3 ammo, with 5 shield to boot!

Here is how I imagine archers functioning:

-Levy Archers: Very cheap. Innacuracy means their main utility is aiming at large groups of enemies, not engaging in archery duels.
-Medium Accuracy Archers: Good for targeting units or blobs, and better at archery duels.
-High Accuracy Archers: Superb for targeting and weakening units, excellent accuracy. Should always win archery duels.

Also , can u make Costobocii Axemen usefull plz? geati don't have any AP now with the Falx changes.

The Getai are one of the most versatile factions in the game, this being one of their shortcomings - they are jacks of all trades, masters of none except perhaps skirmishing. I will check them (the Costobocii) out later, for sure.

**Aper** · 08-23-2011, 22:53

Originally Posted by gamegeek2

Aper, I did not ignore you. That was eliminated first thing when I started doing the Eastern units.

Ah, sorry, I did not realized the version I downloaded had still the old asian units. Hurry leads to stupid mistakes...

**Brave Brave Sir Robin** · 08-24-2011, 04:01

Yeah, Greeks, Asians, and Steppe along with Sweboz have not been completed yet.

On a side note, Saba should get an archer unit which is not levy quality. Perhaps make Ethiopians in the same vein as Numidians? After all, Ethiopia was famous for high quality archer units. Arabs were as well, so maybe the Archer-Spears should be more in the middle tier and leave levy job for Sabean Archers?

**gamegeek2** · 08-24-2011, 09:05

Arabs weren't famed archers in Hellenstic-era sources I can recall (except mounted on camels), but the bow certainly was one of the main weapons wielded by the Sabaean nobility (not the javelin as far as I can recall), along with spears and fine, slender swords. Sadly I can't create a noble archer unit.

Now, Nubia was famed for its archers as far back as Ancient Egypt. Again the existing archer unit is an Ethiopian one, but if you want me to stat it as an axe armed, good quality Nubian archer rather than a club armed Ethiopian one, I could do that.

**Lazy O** · 08-24-2011, 09:20

Yea that woould be good. Previously, a big advantage Saba had was the ability to spam alot of archers. That is useless now and you are basically forced to use eles which the opponent can expect and bring a simple 810 levy unit to counter them.

**vartan** · 08-24-2011, 09:49

Why does the Saba faction need to be on par with the other factions?

**Brave Brave Sir Robin** · 08-24-2011, 14:24

Originally Posted by vartan

Why does the Saba faction need to be on par with the other factions?

It doesn't need to be, but it should at least be playable. Saba without decent archers is basically asking to be javelined to death.

Also, I feel as if 36k still works for this new edu. We havn't gotten half of the factions yet so I will reserve judgement on that, but at 36k, good quality armies are still a possibility for western factions.