[EB MP]3.0 Thread - Testing and Updates

[vartan]

Yeah, the royal guards and elites of the other factions aren't there to inspire people to do crazy stuff. Rather they have a very specialized purpose such as assault, holding strong points, or delivering the KO. It would be worse than taking AP off Getai units.

Yeah. Of course there are Getai units that need AP removed. But basic infantry like falxmen, didn't they get AP back yet?

[gamegeek2]

Yeah. Of course there are Getai units that need AP removed. But basic infantry like falxmen, didn't they get AP back yet?

Again, from a historical standpoint, it would make no sense. Either way falxmen had to be de-powered. If anybody recalls, we had to place a restriction on Bastarnae Falxmen because they were so good; Drapanai were let slide because they were the selling-point of the Getai, as the Getai never won archer wars at the time and thus the Drapanai got slaughtered. Now, the Getai have one of the cheapest and most effective low tier archer units in the game.

[vartan]

Again, from a historical standpoint, it would make no sense. Either way falxmen had to be de-powered. If anybody recalls, we had to place a restriction on Bastarnae Falxmen because they were so good; Drapanai were let slide because they were the selling-point of the Getai, as the Getai never won archer wars at the time and thus the Drapanai got slaughtered. Now, the Getai have one of the cheapest and most effective low tier archer units in the game.

Can't really get away with cheap units. You need to reconsider for reasons of gameplay uniqueness as a faction. And you can remove the possibility of restrictions by using pricing in combination of stats, or to spell it out, not over-the-top powerful and/or more expensive.

[-Stormrage-]

we had to place a restriction on Bastarnae Falxmen because they were so good

Bastarnae falxmen arent OP, they have 0 armour and die to arrow fire. This is what balance is. Rock paper scissors. Falxmen beat armour but die to arrows clear advantage and disadvantage, but the problem we have is those advantages and disadvantages arent so clear in other units. and the counter to a unit doesnt do much damage to it . I think your problem is you make changes over historical accuracy rather then gameplay.

[vartan]

Bastarnae falxmen arent OP, they have 0 armour and die to arrow fire. This is what balance is. Rock paper scissors. Falxmen beat armour but die to arrows clear advantage and disadvantage, but the problem we have is those advantages and disadvantages arent so clear in other units. and the counter to a unit doesnt do much damage to it . I think your problem is you make changes over historical accuracy rather then gameplay.

I thought you stopped playing EB and switched to Rock-Paper-Scissors, as you were suggested to do. I thought wrong!

[-Stormrage-]

I dont know what you meant by that, im still trying to decipher the meaning.

[vartan]

I dont know what you meant by that, im still trying to decipher the meaning.

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[gamegeek2]

I dont know what you meant by that, im still trying to decipher the meaning.

Storm, he means your idea of balance is so simple-minded that you might as well go play Rock Paper Scissors - the most perfectly balanced game there is. Everything in the game has a clear strength and weakness. You can apply the same principle to a lesser extent in Shogun 2 - Spears beat Cav, Cav beat Swords, and Swords beat Spears.

But the closest thing to a simplified matrix of unit advantages and disadvantages in ancient Western warfare is this:

Heavy Infantry: Can successfully defeat all other unit types in melee, cannot outrun any units.
Heavy Cavalry: Can successfully defeat all unit types except heavy infantry in melee, can outrun all infantry.
Light Infantry: Can successfully defeat all units at range, and outrun heavy infantry, can outrun heavy infantry.
Light Cavalry: Can successfully defeat all unit types except light infantry at range, can outrun any unit.

And even to this simplified system there is a proliferation of exceptions, variations, etc.

I think your problem is you make changes over historical accuracy rather then gameplay.

Right then, please go play Starcraft.

Can't really get away with cheap units. You need to reconsider for reasons of gameplay uniqueness as a faction. And you can remove the possibility of restrictions by using pricing in combination of stats, or to spell it out, not over-the-top powerful and/or more expensive.

Do remind me, then, how a man with no shirt and a weapon that costs less than a sword would become expensive at all? Pricing is based on manpower availability and equipment only, nothing else. The Getai had plenty of falx-armed infantry so I can't increase the price. Were I to make the falx pierce armor, it's only logical to extend that to all units equipped with similar two-handed weapons, but the Rhomphaiaphoroi are at an excellent power level that I don't want to modify.

The only thing I could consider would be to artificially boost the armor stat of the Drapanai, but I have done this already, by increasing it to 2 with the excuse that their leather caps afford them some protection, which seemed to be the EB team's reasoning as well. But that's it.

[-Stormrage-]

Starcraft is nice, its actually a very well balanced game.

[Vega]

Bastarnae falxmen arent OP, they have 0 armour and die to arrow fire. This is what balance is. Rock paper scissors. Falxmen beat armour but die to arrows clear advantage and disadvantage, but the problem we have is those advantages and disadvantages arent so clear in other units. and the counter to a unit doesnt do much damage to it . I think your problem is you make changes over historical accuracy rather then gameplay.

hahaah storm we got you, you said that archers cant kill no one in this game and that they are useles

[Vega]

If this game is historical then there should not be totaly balance between factions right? Icreasing, decreasing lowing unit number lethalty mass and other stuff dont make game balanced, if gg2 just dont look at other faction, while editing one faction, for example there are no help for sweboz if you editing sweboz and you look at how will now they be vs rome you are wrong, just folow history, i know that you are good history students or whatever, nevermind gg2 space between pedites extraordinari is big very big i think that it should be fixed bcz they cost is not smal, sorry for double post :DDD

[Lazy O]

Learn to type ffs

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Hehe, way to fix space between PE until GG2 fixes this? Put them in testudo (lol it looks funny) during deployment and then take them out again. Volia! Closer spacing!