[EB MP]3.0 Thread - Testing and Updates

[vartan]

The site has been updated. Please read the news post on the homepage for more information.

hey vartan i could like that you guys keep old rules and only change to be 10 merc for marian era nad 10 for carthage, all other rules looks very balanced, also please if you fixing site update and factional list, just to make clear are capadocian cav heavy or light and are accensi and samitici milities for both polybian and camilian era maybe i missed somthing but well :)

Check the new rules. Mercs are limited to 6. Marian onward get 8. Carthage down to 14 (this rule is a formality, Carthage is by definition merc-based, whether or not we call them factional units). Sauromatae get a hybrid (compromise) of 10 mercs, between the old SAC and CAC merc limits that were exclusive to the Sarmatians, while still maintaining their 4 Greek and 4 Germanic limits. How are Samnites even recruitable for Polybians? That's the wrong era. Bringing them would violate the rule: "SPQR (Rome) must pick one era from which to choose its factional units." Accensi are indeed Republican, so I presume they should be factional for Polybian. Someone correct me if this is a mistake. Cappadocians are non-heavy cavalry in our old system. Our new system does not differentiate between heavy and non-heavy cavalry as there are no rules yet that pertain to the "heaviness" of cavalry. If such a rule or rules arise, I will make sure to update the DHCS (Determining Heavy Cavalry Status) document in order to accommodate for that.

[TheShakAttack]

The site has been updated. Please read the news post on the homepage for more information.



Check the new rules. Mercs are limited to 6. Marian onward get 8. Carthage down to 14 (this rule is a formality, Carthage is by definition merc-based, whether or not we call them factional units). Sauromatae get a hybrid (compromise) of 10 mercs, between the old SAC and CAC merc limits that were exclusive to the Sarmatians, while still maintaining their 4 Greek and 4 Germanic limits. How are Samnites even recruitable for Polybians? That's the wrong era. Bringing them would violate the rule: "SPQR (Rome) must pick one era from which to choose its factional units." Accensi are indeed Republican, so I presume they should be factional for Polybian. Someone correct me if this is a mistake. Cappadocians are non-heavy cavalry in our old system. Our new system does not differentiate between heavy and non-heavy cavalry as there are no rules yet that pertain to the "heaviness" of cavalry. If such a rule or rules arise, I will make sure to update the DHCS (Determining Heavy Cavalry Status) document in order to accommodate for that.

Why shouldn't Polybian have access to Samnites?

[vartan]

Why shouldn't Polybian have access to Samnites?

Hmm. Not sure. I should ask a Romanist. EB has them placed in the Camillans. So I'm guessing Samnites actually show up in Polybians, but guess what: they're showing up as Principes, Hastati, and so on! Get it? This was after they were integrated hmm?

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Hmm. Not sure. I should ask a Romanist. EB has them placed in the Camillans. So I'm guessing Samnites actually show up in Polybians, but guess what: they're showing up as Principes, Hastati, and so on! Get it? This was after they were integrated hmm?

Samnites weren't integrated into Roman society all too well. Hence their role in the Social War 200 years into our timeframe.

In campaign at least, the Samnite heavy infantry are only recruitable during the Camillan era. However, the Samnite spearmen are considered allies(its in the unit name), like the Pedites and Equites Extraordinarii, and I consider them factional for both eras as they are recruitable in campaign as such. I use them in my Polybian armies so someone correct me if I am wrong.

[TheShakAttack]

Samnites weren't integrated into Roman society all too well. Hence their role in the Social War 200 years into our timeframe.

In campaign at least, the Samnite heavy infantry are only recruitable during the Camillan era. However, the Samnite spearmen are considered allies(its in the unit name), like the Pedites and Equites Extraordinarii, and I consider them factional for both eras as they are recruitable in campaign as such. I use them in my Polybian armies so someone correct me if I am wrong.

Yeah, exactly. It was AFTER last social war that they were given roman citizenship EDIT: (and therefore integrated into hastatii, principes etc).

If Samnite Spearmen appear, surely milites should as well. Having said that, their power was considerably eroded by the "Polybian" era, this may have been the reason why the EB team chose to implement in this manner, though the inconsistency is still troubling. Or it might just be an oversight on their part?

[vartan]

Yeah, exactly. It was AFTER last social war that they were given roman citizenship EDIT: (and therefore integrated into hastatii, principes etc).

If Samnite Spearmen appear, surely milites should as well. Having said that, their power was considerably eroded by the "Polybian" era, this may have been the reason why the EB team chose to implement in this manner, though the inconsistency is still troubling. Or it might just be an oversight on their part?

LOL not really. We would need to create a new unit representing the Polybian era Samnite soldier. But we can't if there's no unit space left. It's pragmatism, not inconsistency. In fact, there is no reasonable way of representing the waxing and waning of a unit's power throughout history. Stats remain constant unfortunately.

[antisocialmunky]

Model sharing issues would be annoying. You may be able to add milites to the Rome Roster if you wanted as a merc unit.