[EB MP]3.0 Thread - Testing and Updates

[antisocialmunky]

Fix slinger spams

I think he fixed it by making Archers OP again :D

[Lazy O]

When?

[Vega]

Decrease slinger numbers or increase thier cost thats the only solution, 5 numidians can match with 4 boshporans :D i dont like it ,4 boshporans cost 8000 mnai, 5 slingers(numidians for example 3000 mnai), :D tell me if im wrong..

[Lazy O]

Its extremely annoying. Thats the only problem I have. You are basically forced to do it or get all of your cavalry killed.

[gamegeek2]

Slingers will be max 80 once again and their spacing will decrease.

[antisocialmunky]

Pick one or the other but not both lol.

Who do you think you are? Blizzard fruit of the month WoW Arena balancer?

[-Stormrage-]

Decrease slinger numbers or increase thier cost thats the only solution, 5 numidians can match with 4 boshporans :D i dont like it ,4 boshporans cost 8000 mnai, 5 slingers(numidians for example 3000 mnai), :D tell me if im wrong..

HOW THE **** do u get a 10 armour 3 sheild archer to lose against a 1 armour 1 sheild slinger.

Are you really that bad ?

If your serious then you should provide your evidence ,your proof. Show us a replay we could use some lols. :D

Slingers will be max 80 once again and their spacing will decrease.

haha this is priceless, gg beleived you.
I think your smarter then that.

Whats pissing me off is when someone sais something as illogical as what vega said u listen to him and do what he sais.
but when i provide replays, Reasoning,Stat comparison, and everything no one does anything.

when vega sais ":D tell me if im wrong.." u do what he sais without question.

[gamegeek2]

Pick one or the other but not both lol.

Who do you think you are? Blizzard fruit of the month WoW Arena balancer?

Well, just the spacing then. Seriously, I'm trying to listen to you guys as much as I can on this issue!

[-Stormrage-]

did you know if u charge your griv directly into the front of a phalanx only 2 will die. did u know that ?
becuase phalanx doesnt have bonus vs cavalry, charge your catas into a phalanx u will laugh i swear.

I dont knoow why im telling you again, becuase it seems you dont listen.

you can put these attributes in the EDU to get realistic phalanxes which actually kill cavalry.
long_pike, spear, spear_bonus_8
this will give bonus only for the sarissa.

this will take us half a step further to getting a real EDU.

Im glad some of you have finally realized archers/slingers are worthless and your not bringing them anymore. Welcome on board your finally awake.

[-Stormrage-]

Seriously, I'm trying to listen to you guys as much as I can on this issue!

Listen to the right people.

and how come u gave cataphracts a sheild value ?
when i asked you to take away the armour value from nakeds u told me ...

Wait, stat them as if they didn't have something that they did have, and the game shows they have?

how come you are now statting cataphracts with something they dont have and is not represented in the game .
im curious how on how this statting system works. nakeds should have no armour more then cataphracts should have a sheild, from the historical and sense perspective.

[Lazy O]

GG2 how will spacing solve the problem of them being ridiculously OP now that limits have been removed and we can spam them as much as we want and the rest of the army can be ultra elites?

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Well closer spacing means that more arrows will likely find their targets. After all, slingers in default formation are basically equivalent to archers in loose formation. This still doesn't really address the problem adequately though. Archers cost too much compared to similarly armed slingers. Do Numidian archers cost more than their slinger brethren for that stylish hat? I know its a good look, but still.

[gamegeek2]

Well closer spacing means that more arrows will likely find their targets. After all, slingers in default formation are basically equivalent to archers in loose formation. This still doesn't really address the problem adequately though. Archers cost too much compared to similarly armed slingers. Do Numidian archers cost more than their slinger brethren for that stylish hat? I know its a good look, but still.

The Numidian archers are better trained, better accuracy.

[gamegeek2]

GG2 how will spacing solve the problem of them being ridiculously OP now that limits have been removed and we can spam them as much as we want and the rest of the army can be ultra elites?

Your rules that restrict 2500+ units? To 2 of the same unit?

[Lazy O]

I think you forget most factions have a range of elites to choose from.

[antisocialmunky]

I can bring 2 spartans and 2 of the gold shield hoplites:D

[vartan]

did you know if u charge your griv directly into the front of a phalanx only 2 will die. did u know that ?
becuase phalanx doesnt have bonus vs cavalry, charge your catas into a phalanx u will laugh i swear.

Did you know you can actually add addendums to your posts by pressing the EDIT ​button without having to do double posts?

[Ludens]

Mind the tone, please.

[Lazy O]

What "tone" are you talking about?

[Ludens]

Some of the comments are getting a bit too personal.

[Lazy O]

Erm, so? We are not insulting or anything. We have hamachi for that :D-

[vartan]

Some of the comments are getting a bit too personal.

Could you please explain because this time you have me confused. When you point out things such as in this as well as your previous post, I find a problem. That problem is the following: Is Ludens' remark directed toward the post(er) immediately preceding his remark, or is it directed toward some other post(er)? I'd certainly hope for the former since that's the clearer of the two. Now in this case, if it's the latter, it would be hard to gauge one's own comments as I wouldn't know, as a user, if I was the one who needed to mind his or her tone. Also in this case, if it is the former, then I am yet confused as to where your remark came from and why. The tone in my post was, if there was a list to choose from, informative or perhaps serious (I like the former). It was not sarcastic or demeaning or any of the other ones from this hypothetical list that would be a "red flag", so to speak, for moderators to watch out for. I hope you understand because I really didn't see that coming... (As a short addendum, I wouldn't have told my fellow user Stormrage about the possibility of editing instead of double-posting if this was the only case of his I had noticed, but since it wasn't, I decided it wouldn't hurt to just point it out...)

[Ludens]

That problem is the following: Is Ludens' remark directed toward the post(er) immediately preceding his remark, or is it directed toward some other post(er)?

Actually, my post wasn't directed at a specific person. It was intended as a general reminder that comments like "You're smarter than that" and "Who do you think you are?" aren't helpful. Neither of them is a direct insult, but because I saw several in a row, I assumed the tone was turning hostile. What happens on Hamachi is your own business, but please keep it polite on the .Org forums.

My apologies if I wasn't clear.

[-Stormrage-]

Even i got it from the first time, he was talking about me. I am very Honored.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Ok, so this doesn't belong in 3.0 errors but....
Legionary cohorts have been nerfed too much. ASM and Lazy were testing today and confirmed what I've believed since 3.0 has been released. The defense skill on the cohorts is too low. Take this example. Accensi have a 6 defense skill, Legions a 7, Sagitarii Auxilia an 8. What number seems out of place? Polybian Principes are also a 7. Recommendation would be to raise cohorts defense skill by 2 to 9, the same as Thorakitai which seems reasonable. Raise Polybian Principe skill to 8. Right now, Roman heavy infantry is inferior to that of other factions which seems somewhat silly as this should be their strong point.

[Lazy O]

Agreed.

[-Stormrage-]

adding 1 or 2 defense skill wont make a difference. so this infantry is 7 defense and that is 8, so what 1 defense skill wont do much.

[antisocialmunky]

Do the spacing change first and test.

[gamegeek2]

Ok, so this doesn't belong in 3.0 errors but....
Legionary cohorts have been nerfed too much. ASM and Lazy were testing today and confirmed what I've believed since 3.0 has been released. The defense skill on the cohorts is too low. Take this example. Accensi have a 6 defense skill, Legions a 7, Sagitarii Auxilia an 8. What number seems out of place? Polybian Principes are also a 7. Recommendation would be to raise cohorts defense skill by 2 to 9, the same as Thorakitai which seems reasonable. Raise Polybian Principe skill to 8. Right now, Roman heavy infantry is inferior to that of other factions which seems somewhat silly as this should be their strong point.

You really think Thorakitai and Legionaries need a 21% increase in defensive effectiveness? I'd like to see some evidence forst-hand. I could lower shield to 4 and bump defense to 8 if you wish, that way they might die a bit more to missiles (21% more from the front).

+1 defense ~ +10% increase in defense effectivenses in melee. Or, to put in in different terms, if otherwise identical individual troops (same (attack, animation, armor, and shield) faced off in frontal melee, but one had 8 defense skill and the other had 7, the unit with 8 defense skill would win approximately 52.5% of the time (off the top of my head).

[Vega]

Ok, so this doesn't belong in 3.0 errors but....
Legionary cohorts have been nerfed too much. ASM and Lazy were testing today and confirmed what I've believed since 3.0 has been released. The defense skill on the cohorts is too low. Take this example. Accensi have a 6 defense skill, Legions a 7, Sagitarii Auxilia an 8. What number seems out of place? Polybian Principes are also a 7. Recommendation would be to raise cohorts defense skill by 2 to 9, the same as Thorakitai which seems reasonable. Raise Polybian Principe skill to 8. Right now, Roman heavy infantry is inferior to that of other factions which seems somewhat silly as this should be their strong point.

Finnaly someone who understand me :D