[EB MP]3.0 Thread - Testing and Updates

**Lazy O** · 10-08-2011, 18:15

Why should they?

**Arjos** · 10-08-2011, 18:20

You mean that an inland anatolian faction, who took 170+ years to get to the bosphorus, has more credit than the motherland of such colonies, who kept trading and friendship relations with them?

**Lazy O** · 10-08-2011, 18:25

Do they own the bosporus at the game start? And I dont support Pontus having them either. All I know is, the greeks had them before, but they were removed.

**Arjos** · 10-08-2011, 18:29

Own it no, but they had an alliance with Athens...

**gamegeek2** · 10-08-2011, 19:29

Originally Posted by Arjos

Own it no, but they had an alliance with Athens...

The colonies of the Bosporan kingdom were founded by Miletos (Pantikapaion), Herakleia Pontika (Chersonesos Taurike), and the fleeing citizens of Teos (Phanagoria) and by now they were part of an independent Hellenic kingdom anyways.

**Arjos** · 10-08-2011, 19:59

Originally Posted by gamegeek2

The colonies of the Bosporan kingdom were founded by Miletos (Pantikapaion), Herakleia Pontika (Chersonesos Taurike), and the fleeing citizens of Teos (Phanagoria) and by now they were part of an independent Hellenic kingdom anyways.

Weren't the Spartokidai very close with Athens?

**vartan** · 10-08-2011, 20:39

Brave et al are prime examples of how pervasive and prevalent the Greco-Roman perversion of the east remains to this very day. How could one forget the great arduous work undertaken by historians and others in the past decades (and century) on native sources within the near east... Old Persian. Akkadian. Aramaic. Babylonian dialect Akkadian. And so much more. Josef Wiesehöfer does a good job of pointing this out in his Ancient Persia...

**Arjos** · 10-09-2011, 11:54

Originally Posted by Arjos

Weren't the Spartokidai very close with Athens?

To add:

Originally Posted by Scythians and Greeks: A Survey of Ancient History and Archaeology on the North Coast of the Euxine from the Danube to the Caucasus

The inscription from the Acropolis in honour of Spartocus III (B.C. 287/6), speaks of such statues set up to his ancestors in the Agora and in the Emporium and of an offensive and defensive alliance concluded with them

So after Athens broke free from Polioerketes, Spartokos III renewed the symmachia with the polis (this friendship having a very long history going back to Spartokos I), because Athens allowed the Bosphorans to take part at the Panathenaic games and helped his dynasty to seize supremacy in the past...
Deal which gave recognition to the thracian dynast, legitimizing him as a greek monarch; while for Athens it meant cheaper grain and help in possible future expeditions...

Imo there's ground to give some Skuda units to the KH, I agree that they get quite cosmopolitan, but that's what the KH is about: a conglomerate of military alliances, in typical greek fashion, coming and going with the flow :D

**Brave Brave Sir Robin** · 10-08-2011, 18:33

I still find it ironic that the KH, the most backwards in terms of military advancement faction in the game, ends up being the most cosmopolitan because one coalition of two greek cities has been expanded to include greek colonies all over the mediterranean.

**TheShakAttack** · 10-08-2011, 19:40

Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin

I still find it ironic that the KH, the most backwards in terms of military advancement faction in the game, ends up being the most cosmopolitan because one coalition of two greek cities has been expanded to include greek colonies all over the mediterranean.

Agree wholeheartedly.