Can't train gunpowder units

[Gilrandir]

Naptha is a unit similar to the gunpowder ones in range and moral penalties which it inflicts(though someone may correct me in this) , but much more efficient in terms of casualties it causes. Moreover, you may deploy it behind your troop line thus keeping it from attack and riot.

[Trapped in Samsara]

Naptha is a unit similar to the gunpowder ones in range and moral penalties which it inflicts(though someone may correct me in this) , but much more efficient in terms of casualties it causes. Moreover, you may deploy it behind your troop line thus keeping it from attack and riot.

Hi

Don't have much experience using naptha grenadiers, but arquebusiers are surely one of the most dramatic death dealers in MTW.

Towards the end game, when I'm typically stomping around the map with upgraded super warriors defeating all comers, I'll almost always have a couple of arqs as my skirmish line. The flash and thunder of their volleys, followed by billowing smoke, is to my mind the most cinematic effect in MTW. And then they perform their little choreographed rank changing drill and reload. It's pure theatre.

Best regards
Victor

Sapere aude
Horace

[Gilrandir]

I agree that it is picturesque, but no more. If we talk efficiency Naptha is way better. I will not instruct you on using it (you can get information from the Unit guide), I will just advise you to increase their valor (thus their accuracy) and look out for some tricks from the AI. The latter is prone to provide some nasty weather when it spots me having naptha in my army thus rendering it useless. But perhaps you will fall out with the AI and it will not do this to you.

[Trapped in Samsara]

...I will just advise you to increase their valor (thus their accuracy)....

Hi

I'm not sure that 'valouring up' missile units increases their accuracy.

I have a reasonably clear recollection of a long thread in which the effect of valour on archers was discussed in great depth by a number of MTW gurus. The conclusion was, IIRC, that there was little or no evidence that increasing the valour of archers made their volleys significantly more deadly.

Best regards
Victor

Sapere aude
Horace

[drone]

I thought valour did improve accuracy, but only real valour, not the general's bonus. And it wasn't until valour 3+ that it became noticeable.

[cpgray]

-Gunpowder units, pikes, Lithuanian cavalry, Demi cannon, serpentine, siege cannon, Demi culverin, culverin, gendarmes, lancers, Janissary heavy infantry, Ottoman Sipahi and Sipahi of the Porte become available at 1321.

Found this reading frogbeastegg's beginner's guide last night in section 2.3 Armies and Units.

[Gilrandir]

Found this reading frogbeastegg's beginner's guide last night in section 2.3 Armies and Units.

The Guide is wrong. You can train Janissary heavy infantry beginning from the High. I did it myself several times and pretty sure of it as my Turkish campaigns never took me to the Late (no heirs apparent).
As for the correlation of accuracy and valor, my advise was based on the Guide. So perhaps it is not perfect in that respect either.