Divinity of Jesus Christ

**-Stormrage-** · 10-14-2011, 21:16

What this is about : To prove to our brothers the christians that Jesus Christ Never claimed Divinity, instead he proved the opposite, that he wasnt divine.

Jesus said :

<< John 14:28 >> My father is Greater then I

<< John 10:29 >> My father is greater then all

<< Matthew 12:28 >> I cast out devils with the spirit of god

<< Luke 11:20 >> I with the finger of god cast out devils

<< John 5:30 >> I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me.

<< Matthew 7:22 >> Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?

<< Matthew 7:23 >> And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Why will he tell you Depart from me i never knew you ?
Becuase you called him lord, you attributed Divinity to him . Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord ...And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me

Resurrection of Lazarus

<< John 11:41 >>Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank you that you have heard me.

<< John 11:42 >>And I knew that you hear me always: but because of the people who stand by I said it, that they may believe that you have sent me.

Here is the imprtant part, jesus sais I know you always hear me but i said it because these people standing here they will think i did it. I thanked you for this so that they believe you have sent me and it is not of my own power.

that they may believe that you have sent me.
The one who is sent is always inferior then the sender. The one who is Sent to a people is called a Messenger.
You should Read your own Bible, Jesus never Claimed Divinity, he even proved to the contrary.

**Lemur** · 10-14-2011, 21:53

Accepting Jesus as divine is a matter of faith, not reason. So you're bringing a fish to a spoon fight. Or something like that.

Otherwise ...

**Hax** · 10-14-2011, 21:58

What this is about : To prove to our brothers the christians that Jesus Christ Never claimed Divinity, instead he proved the opposite, that he wasnt divine.

Are you Muslim?

**-Stormrage-** · 10-14-2011, 22:10

Yes.

And Lemur

Accepting Jesus as divine is a matter of faith, not reason. So you're bringing a fish to a spoon fight. Or something like that.

Where does Christian Faith come from ? The Bible, and i have quoted Verses from the bible which state Jesus wasnt Divine. What do you mean Faith not reason what you talkin about. faith is Weak it is flimsy without Proof and Reason. If im a muslim with just faith i would get torn apart by atheists. but you see We have Reasoning, We have Evidence, to support Faith.

**Montmorency** · 10-14-2011, 22:14

but you see We have Reasoning, We have Evidence, to support Faith

Oh, boy. That line could be appropriated by any religion out there.

**Papewaio** · 10-15-2011, 06:21

Originally Posted by -Stormrage-

What do you mean Faith not reason what you talkin about. faith is Weak it is flimsy without Proof and Reason. If im a muslim with just faith i would get torn apart by atheists. but you see We have Reasoning, We have Evidence, to support Faith.

Meh, believe in what you want.

Faith, Belief and Love, the most important of thes is Love.

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Don't worry atheists are quite happy to tear apart any faith... it's just some of them are more local and accessible to start with like one's family and friends.

Except most of us know that you can't disprove God using science. You can only prove something exists, not disprove a non-existence... kind of the Black Swan issue.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 10-15-2011, 07:08

Originally Posted by Papewaio

Don't worry atheists are quite happy to tear apart any faith...

I am as hardcore atheist as you can get, but I purposely go out of my way not to tear apart any mainstream faith. I have my beliefs and others have theirs. Also, I have noticed that some people just can't handle life without religion, why try to take it away from them when it helps them so much? I don't see any sort of coherent, consistent, secular moral philosophy that provides the kind of "right" and "wrong" that many people need and take from religion, (so relativism is out). So there isn't anything I can preach to them to replace religion, if I wanted to anyway.

**drone** · 10-14-2011, 22:16

I'm not sure you can use verses in third-hand accounts, written many years after his death, translated and edited multiple times, for a discussion like this. The quotes are not his actual words.

**-Stormrage-** · 10-14-2011, 22:24

To you, these might not be His words, but to the christian ...

The christian believes in the Authenticity of the Bible, and the important thing is that the christian believes these are the words of Jesus. Thats what matters.

i dont think your a christian, so we can talk about other things? so how you doin ?

**Tuuvi** · 10-14-2011, 22:32

I don't have time to look it up right now, but I believe that Jesus did claim to be Jehovah, which is what ended up getting him crucified.

In those versus you quoted, Jesus isn't denying his divinity, but rather explaining that he is subordinate to the Father.

**drone** · 10-14-2011, 22:40

I am a Christian (lapsed). But it's pretty common knowledge that the gospels were not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, but later in the first century by others. The whole history of the New Testament canon pretty much guarantees that church leaders' agendas were pushed, it's just human nature. Combined with the translation and revisions, it can't be used sole source for historical accuracy.

PVC wall of text in 3, 2, 1...

**Lemur** · 10-14-2011, 23:26

Originally Posted by -Stormrage-

The christian believes in the Authenticity of the Bible, and the important thing is that the christian believes these are the words of Jesus.

It doesn't sound as if you know a whole lot about Christians. The vast majority do not believe that the Bible is the inerrant, literal word of God. Even people who fancy themselves "Biblical literalists" are usually happy to pick and choose which versees are applicable to their lives and which are not. So quoting some bit of scripture here or there to "prove" something is, at best, a mug's game.

Furthermore: