Marines vs Rest of the US armed forces vs Eurowimps

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This thread shall serve to promote discussion about the advantages or disadvantages between the US Marines and all the other slops out there that don't even have proper bayonet training.

[ Please fill me with relevant information about Marines, US armed forces and Eurowimps and come to some conclusion based upon these sources - T ]

Please have all your arguments based on homo erotic fantasies facts.

[Centurion1]

first of all i dislike this sort of thing as very few of us were in the military and really have no right to proclaim any one services supremacy over the other since as fighting men they are all superior to us.

second of all homo erotic fantasies they are not for many people but are a stark reality of their futures, presents, or pasts.

[tibilicus]

From my personal exposure to military personnel and military culture it seems this sort of argument is rife and, at the end of the day, nonsensical. Speaking from a British perspective the Royal Marines and the paras tend to hold the kind of dubious superiority complex US Marines seem to have. I know a couple of people who have gone for the Para program P-Coy training (with mixed results) and their ego becomes inflated even before they attempt it. Paras and Royal Marines also have a habit of referring to them and "the rest". Sure, I'll respect you for wearing the maroon beret and having the commando daggers but at the end of the day whilst you're physically superior referring to yourself as better than other soldiers is dumb. Sure the signals don't have the same type of job but I'd like to see such "elite" units try and do their job without various types of signals support or the Royal Artillery to get them where they want/ blow everything to bits.

The worst for me has to be the whole regular/ territorial rubbish. territorial units are constantly berated for being "part-timers" or "soft soldiers". Despite the fact if I want to be in any TA unit one has to meet the requirements of any regular soldier. I despair every time I bring up the TA and a wannabe regular comes out with some unfounded statement. Iv'e seen a Lance Corporal from the RAF Regiment give lip back to a major purely because he identified him as being from a TA regiment, that sort of thing's not right. When deployed the TA does the same thing as the regulars, they just have a second life on top of that.

In short I can't talk in certainties about the US military but if it's anything like the British structure then I imagine it has both an interesting and bizarre micro culture. Also for anyone who has served or has knowledge of the US military do the US Marines have to reach a higher standard of fitness than military personnel say Rangers or US paras?

[Centurion1]

From my personal exposure to military personnel and military culture it seems this sort of argument is rife and, at the end of the day, nonsensical. Speaking from a British perspective the Royal Marines and the paras tend to hold the kind of dubious superiority complex US Marines seem to have. I know a couple of people who have gone for the Para program P-Coy training (with mixed results) and their ego becomes inflated even before they attempt it. Paras and Royal Marines also have a habit of referring to them and "the rest". Sure, I'll respect you for wearing the maroon beret and having the commando daggers but at the end of the day whilst you're physically superior referring to yourself as better than other soldiers is dumb. Sure the signals don't have the same type of job but I'd like to see such "elite" units try and do their job without various types of signals support or the Royal Artillery to get them where they want/ blow everything to bits.

The worst for me has to be the whole regular/ territorial rubbish. territorial units are constantly berated for being "part-timers" or "soft soldiers". Despite the fact if I want to be in any TA unit one has to meet the requirements of any regular soldier. I despair every time I bring up the TA and a wannabe regular comes out with some unfounded statement. Iv'e seen a Lance Corporal from the RAF Regiment give lip back to a major purely because he identified him as being from a TA regiment, that sort of thing's not right. When deployed the TA does the same thing as the regulars, they just have a second life on top of that.

In short I can't talk in certainties about the US military but if it's anything like the British structure then I imagine it has both an interesting and bizarre micro culture. Also for anyone who has served or has knowledge of the US military do the US Marines have to reach a higher standard of fitness than military personnel say Rangers or US paras?

Alot of what you just described is common. Here in ROTC (officer training program at university) there is most certainly a attitude of go combat arms or die. It is reinforced by other military men I know including my father who flew jets. Then yes there is superiority complexes between units.

US Marines should not be compared to Rangers and to draw comparisons is an insult. US Army Paratroopers like the 82nd and 101st are theoretically a special unit but really just have that Para training which is actually very very common throughout the Army. (For example I will likely go to either Airborne or Air Assault school this summer). There are actually quite a few jokes dropped about the 101st at least. But to compare the Marines and Rangers is an insult.

Rangers are elite infantry pure and simple. You have to compare a regular US Army soldier and a US Marine. Then you have to clarify and compare an infantryman in the US Army to an infantryman in the Marine Corp (or a tankman to a tankman, airman to airman, etc.)

No I don't think this ridiculous mythos of Marine corp superiority in the realm of physical fitness is legitimate if you compare infantry in the army to infantry in the marine corp. In ROTC at least the kids who tend to go combat arms are physical studs. I'm nothing special and I get around 80 some pushups 90 situps and a 13:00 min 2 mile with relative ease. I also weigh 195 pounds am 6' and lift alot of weights. I allude to this because it means since I lift so many weights I have alot of short fiber muscle (I'm obsessed with basketball and if I couldn't dunk I would die a little). That sort of muscle doesn't lend itself any favors in the APFT (test) yet I still "max" out the test. I consider myself a superior athlete than most of my friends in ROTC and even in the military as a whole but im nothing special fitness wise. I've taken the Marine Corp PT test as well and tbh its not too hard. I easily max out the situps and pull ups (i mean you can do chin ups for goodness sakes) though it isnt easy to get the 18:00 3 mile to max. It should also be noted I am a horrendous runner, absolutely terrible and its something I do every single day sometimes twice a day because im so naturally bad at distance running.

tl;dr So no i dont think the marine corp is anything special fitness wise.

[CountArach]

second of all homo erotic fantasies they are not for many people but are a stark reality of their futures, presents, or pasts.

Are you saying that homo erotic archetype of the soldier are real or am I just mis-reading your statement?

[Sigurd]

Eurowimp here...
From my experience the US navy is a bunch of wannabe best in the world with the mouth to fit, but when it comes to the doing, they have been found wanting.
Of course I realize that I haven't met every one of the mighty US Navy, but those that have found our waters were all steam and no material.
I wonder if they have had naval training at all?

Examples you say? We have had u-boats resting directly under an American vessel without being detected. And it was a training exercise where they were looking for it.
The Americans have no discipline to keep a low energy signature on their ships when entering enemy waters. They light up as a Christmas tree easily spotted by gun-forts and other smaller stealthier crafts. Its like bringing a marching band to a hide and seek game.

Many times I and collegues have been


You could claim a ruse... let them think we are ignorant. Since the Russians are watching let's just play drunk..

[Fragony]

Isn't the Norwegian army specialised in coastal defence with all the fjords, good thing they come training with you guys no.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Eurowimp here...
From my experience the US navy is a bunch of wannabe best in the world with the mouth to fit, but when it comes to the doing, they have been found wanting.
Of course I realize that I haven't met every one of the mighty US Navy, but those that have found our waters were all steam and no material.
I wonder if they have had naval training at all?

Examples you say? We have had u-boats resting directly under an American vessel without being detected. And it was a training exercise where they were looking for it.
The Americans have no discipline to keep a low energy signature on their ships when entering enemy waters. They light up as a Christmas tree easily spotted by gun-forts and other smaller stealthier crafts. Its like bringing a marching band to a hide and seek game.

Many times I and collegues have been


You could claim a ruse... let them think we are ignorant. Since the Russians are watching let's just play drunk..

You are Vikings though, genetically bred for skulking around and killing people from boats, the fact that your boats are under the water now really does make it unfair. These "Americans" are mostly just Anglo-Saxons, they don't stand a chance.

Seriously though, "diciplined" is never a word used to describe the US military.

As regards her Britanic Majesty's Forces however, it's all about "THEM".

Though I have to say, I was most scared by the Commando Signalman I met a few years ago, that guy was crazy.

[tibilicus]

Wasn't actually aware the Rangers were spec ops. I was just throwing names of forces I knew out there, guess you learn something new everyday.

[Fragony]

Shameless plug as it's cool footage, looks like an FPS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ2Do64NTso

No idea if Dutch marines are any good it just reminds me of COD, but aren't all SAS-type special forces good,or at least better than regulars, Iranian European USA or whatever, wouldn't they all butcher ordinary troops mano a mano

[drone]

Examples you say? We have had u-boats resting directly under an American vessel without being detected. And it was a training exercise where they were looking for it.

You guys use diesels though, that's, like, cheating or something. None of our real enemies would use diesels!