The Phillipines is a good example of gun culture gone awry. Too much too fast, methinks. And in 30 days I will get to find this out first hand on R&R
Re: Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years
The Phillipines is a good example of gun culture gone awry. Too much too fast, methinks. And in 30 days I will get to find this out first hand on R&R
Baby Quit Your Cryin' Put Your Clown Britches On!!!
Re: Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years
More on ATF's "Fast and Furious" program - they encouraged sales of guns to suspect people, then used said sales in a push for greater gun regulations.
CRDocuments obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
PICTURES: ATF "Gunwalking" scandal timeline
In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.
ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
Re: Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years
It's funny, that theory has been circulating around gun forums and blogs since F&F broke and has been met with a lot of disbelief. 'Sure the administration seriously fuddled itself, but there is no way this was a false flag op. Those only happen in the movies.' Guess not.Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Jack booted thugs, indeed.
Last edited by Beskar; 12-14-2011 at 15:03.
Re: Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years
At this point, the ATF is so dysfunctional it just needs to be disbanded. The Director position is a revolving door of acting personnel, their old revenue collection role for booze and tobacco was removed when the ATF shifted to DoJ, and their reputation is in shambles. Just roll their responsibilities into the FBI and DEA and be done with it.
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Re: Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years
They could just make "Jack Booted Thugs" official.
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If I werent playing games Id be killing small animals at a higher rate than I am now - SFTS
Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat
"Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur
Re: Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years
Revenuers. Where I come from, people already call them that.
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If I werent playing games Id be killing small animals at a higher rate than I am now - SFTS
Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat
"Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur
Re: Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...nd_611731.htmlRep. James Sensenbrenner asked Holder: “Tell me what's the difference between lying and misleading Congress, in this context?”
Holder's response is a bit Clintonian. “Well, if you want to have this legal conversation, it all has to do with your state of mind and whether or not you had the requisite intent to come up with something that would be considered perjury or a lie," Holder said. "The information that was provided by the February 4th letter was gleaned by the people who drafted the letter after they interacted with people who they thought were in the best position to have the information.”
I guess we have to employ vast swathes of malicious idiots somehow, and what better than the federal government?
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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