Support for Gun Control in US at its Lowest Level in More than 50 Years

[ICantSpellDawg]

surprised you managed to get one.

look i like guns. that being said i don't even give a damn about self defense. I like guns because i like hunting. end of story.

I don't have any interest in hunting. I don't have any interest in killing an animal that I know I won't eat all of or even really enjoy it. I believe that people should arm themselves to the teeth to go out and get the paper in the morning. I want everyone to be a mirror image of Duke Nukem.

[Centurion1]

It's really not that hard to get a gun anywhere. There's a few really bad spots where it is difficult, but for most of the country it's very easy. Oregon's a long-time democrat strong-hold, but you can get a gun and a concealed carry permit here easier than anywhere but Florida, last time I checked.

Go to NY especially the City

[a completely inoffensive name]

Go to NY especially the City

Then order online bro. There are no more gun bans since SCOTUS ruled on Chicago. Nothing is stopping you. Don't act as if waiting two weeks is some big inconvenience.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Then order online bro. There are no more gun bans since SCOTUS ruled on Chicago. Nothing is stopping you. Don't act as if waiting two weeks is some big inconvenience.

The authoritarians in charge in places like NYC and DC are doing their utmost to prevent people from owning guns. In NYC they charge $440 to apply for a permit to own (not carry) a gun, and they reserve the right to disqualify you for any reason they want:

Your application may be disapproved for any of the following reasons:

A history of arrest or conviction, depending upon the severity of the charges and the amount of time that has elapsed since your last arrest or conviction.
Your failure to disclose your full criminal history, including sealed arrests, on your application;
A history of domestic violence incidents;
A history of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs (DUI, DWI, DWAI);
Your failure to cooperate with the investigation of your application;
A poor DMV history, including moving violations, failure to appear and answer summonses or failure to pay fines.

This list is not exclusive. If your investigation results in a determination that you lack character and fitness for a license or permit, your application will be denied.

So that's basically a gun ban on people who the cops don't like.

I'll agree that just banning guns in the US is not an answer, but neither is embracing their use every chance you get and cheering teenage mothers for killing a man. It's not unlikely that she will have a lot of mental trouble over it anyway. Better than being dead, yes, but even better if the chance of such an incident is a lot lower in the first place.

And how would a gun ban lower the chance of men armed with knives from breaking into a house?

CR

[a completely inoffensive name]

The authoritarians in charge in places like NYC and DC are doing their utmost to prevent people from owning guns. In NYC they charge $440 to apply for a permit to own (not carry) a gun, and they reserve the right to disqualify you for any reason they want:
So that's basically a gun ban on people who the cops don't like.
CR

Just sue and you will win due to the SCOTUS ruling. Government can't deny you a gun on a subjective parameter like "character", that would get absolutely destroyed in court. The government can have set rules of, if X then no, if not X then yes. Anything other than that is up to the discretion of the gun store owner, if it is different, you should have a case.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Just sue and you will win due to the SCOTUS ruling. Government can't deny you a gun on a subjective parameter like "character", that would get absolutely destroyed in court. The government can have set rules of, if X then no, if not X then yes. Anything other than that is up to the discretion of the gun store owner, if it is different, you should have a case.

Suing will takes years to get to SCOTUS, after you find people who have been denied and will make good plaintiffs. And considering SCOTUS just barely said the 2nd protects handgun ownership against a complete ban, I am not sure they'd strike down the character requirement.

And authorities can still pile on defined rules (like the rule that moving violations (traffic tickets) can disqualify you) until no one hasn't broken at least one.

Or they do as DC is and only allow one business to legally even transfer guns in and out, and only allowing people to buy guns after a permit process designed to be long and arduous.

CR

[a completely inoffensive name]

Suing will takes years to get to SCOTUS, after you find people who have been denied and will make good plaintiffs. And considering SCOTUS just barely said the 2nd protects handgun ownership against a complete ban, I am not sure they'd strike down the character requirement.

And authorities can still pile on defined rules (like the rule that moving violations (traffic tickets) can disqualify you) until no one hasn't broken at least one.

Or they do as DC is and only allow one business to legally even transfer guns in and out, and only allowing people to buy guns after a permit process designed to be long and arduous.

CR

I am sure the CATO institute can send their best lawyer to help the plaintiff tear apart the excessive requirement on the basis that it is exactly what you say it is, a work around the SCOTUS ruling, AKA a gun ban under a different system. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck any decent lawyer that has experience in the subject can tear apart what is essentially a de facto gun ban.

The DC situation might be taken care of by suing under anti-trust laws. As for permits...yeah you might be screwed there but that's not a ban, just weeks of waiting.

[Husar]

And how would a gun ban lower the chance of men armed with knives from breaking into a house?

It wouldn't.

A culture that doesn't embrace violence and recklessness as a means to get what you want and a police force doing their job are more likely to prevent that than a gun ban in itself.

Not having a gun ban certainly doesn't reduce the chance of armed intruders either and one case doesn't make a survival chance statistic.

[rvg]

Not having a gun ban certainly doesn't reduce the chance of armed intruders either and one case doesn't make a survival chance statistic.

It does however vastly increase the intruders' chances of ending up dead. From the public safety perspective, this is the optimal solution. Bang.

[Husar]

I respect that Europeans have a very different view on the sanctity of criminal life, but my view is that if you're going to break into my house you had better be willing to suffer the consequences.

It's not that different really.

The difference for me is that I rather live in a country where 2 relatively harmless people want to steal my stuff and I don't need a gun to defend myself usually than in a country where 20 armed gunmen/knifemen would like to rob my stuff but I get a chance to shoot back. Neither guns nor self defense are illegal here after all. We're just don't worship and propagate either of them all the time whenever we get a chance.
We also seem to have less guys with knives who are after our families. I'm just saying there may be a connection.