EBO EDU Hotfix

[TheShakAttack]

New hotfix. Check notes for details. Might be slightly controversial which I have highlighted.

I have not made any changes to ele costs or stats. If this is something you guys want, will need to get GG2's input re balancing etc.

I also wanted to say this is why Mardians have the highest tier of accuracy (if you guys disagree, let me know):

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These infantry troops lack the speed and manoeuvrability of horse archers, instead relying on their powerful long composite bow. They are only lightly armoured with a quilted linen cuirass worn over a brightly embroidered long sleeved tunic. Trained from birth in the use of the deadly eastern composite bow, these men know their worth and are often to be found among the Parthian garrisons and in their field armies.

Historically, the Persians may among nations, undoubtedly be placed in the first rank of archers and, the Marda Shivatir are their elite. They are recruited from the more settled elements of the Parthian tribal host in the core of the Parthian homeland and surrounding regions. It seems likely that at least some of these infantry were those of the Parthians too impoverished to afford to fight mounted or those whose mounted skills had declined as a result of settled life to such an extent that it was no longer possible for them to serve in their traditional role. [Note that the "spoiling of skills" affects only mounted warfare]

[Arjos]

I don't know if gg2's upcoming one will have it or not, but add the Mistophoroi Thraikioi Peltastai to the Ptoleis too :)

[TheShakAttack]

I don't know if gg2's upcoming one will have it or not, but add the Mistophoroi Thraikioi Peltastai to the Ptoleis too :)

Ugh, now you tell me. I will incorporate within build "c".

[Lazy O]

type iberian infantry dunaminaca
dictionary iberian_infantry_dunaminaca ; Dunaminaca
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Medium_1
soldier carthaginian_infantry_elite_african_infantry_dunaminaca, 40, 0, 1.2
officer ebofficer_lusitanian_carthaginian_officer
mount_effect horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, can_sap, hide_long_grass, very_hardy
formation 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, square
stat_health 1, 1
stat_pri 7, 8, solifera_h, 38.5, 3, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 13, 8 , no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.16
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 9, 10, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 0, 0, 1, -2
stat_mental 13, impetuous, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1872, 491, 90, 130, 1872
ownership spain, gauls, scythia, slave


;539
type iberian infantry dunaminaca mercenary
dictionary iberian_infantry_dunaminaca ; Mercenary Dunaminaca
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Medium_1
soldier carthaginian_infantry_elite_african_infantry_dunaminaca, 40, 0, 1.2
officer ebofficer_lusitanian_carthaginian_officer
mount_effect horse +1
attributes sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, can_sap, hide_long_grass, very_hardy, mercenary_unit
formation 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, square
stat_health 1, 1
stat_pri 7, 8, solifera_h, 38.5, 3, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec 13, 8 , no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.15
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 9, 10, 4, leather
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 2
stat_ground 0, 0, 1, -2
stat_mental 13, impetuous, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1872, 491, 90, 130, 1872
ownership seleucid, egypt, slave

Fix it.

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[Arjos]

Almost forgot, can Kardakâ Arteshtâr be added to the Seleukidai? Read some saying yes, others no, while I have no clue :D

[TheShakAttack]

@lazy- what's the magic word? Also I am presuming the value should be 0.15 (since they used gladius as well)?

@Arjos- due to the fact that there isn't consensus, I will wait until at least 2 other players back it.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

I will say please on behalf of lazy since he is bereft of manners typically

Adding Kardaka not only gives you an ugly grey peasant in your roster, when you try to load a battle with these mystery men the game crashes. Some other files would have to be played with, but this is above my head. I think they need a skin.

[TheShakAttack]

In which case I am tempted to leave it as it is and wait for someone else to tinker with it (not exp with skins). It's not as if the AS roster is crying out for the superb quality of the Kardaka

[gamegeek2]

You have to edit DMB to enable the kardaka, which I have done...

[TheShakAttack]

You have to edit DMB to enable the kardaka, which I have done...

Ok does that mean that we should leave the addition of Kardaka to you?

Also, I am thinking about taking eles away from Rome again. Due to the fact that they can bring cheap high quality heavy infantry (they get some sort of discount afaik), it does kind of make a Roman army with eles very OP. What do people think?

[-Stormrage-]

What does your history tell you ?


"That frodo is alive"
"Yes, He is alive"
^^

[TheShakAttack]

Hmm, I just had a battle with Kival, and the forest eles died whilst charging through enemy lines (no javs fired)- perhaps giving rome eles is not so OP afterall even though the army looks quite intimidating?

[antisocialmunky]

Can we make elephants less paper? You know javelins didn't actually kill elephants, it just made them incredibly pissed off and panic. So I would make them more robust but reduce their morale so they tend to panic more than die.

[The Celtic Viking]

I do agree, actually, but I don't think that's for Shak to do in his hotfix. It's the kind of thing we're not paying GG2 for.

[vartan]

Almost forgot, can Kardakâ Arteshtâr be added to the Seleukidai? Read some saying yes, others no, while I have no clue :D

Show me the papers.

[Arjos]

That they used them or?

[TheShakAttack]

The terms of changing have been changed. It now includes this:

Also, I am happy to change things in the EDU as long as there is near unanimous consent:
-with at least 5 regular players:
1) requesting the change;
2) agreeing that it is a "hotfix" issue and needs to be changed immediately;
3) agreeing to and specifying the changes to be made (for instance the specific stat numbers);
-no more than 1 person disagreeing to it ;
-it is within my skillset to do so; and
-I do not consider it a "major" change (lies within my discretion :P).

Keep in mind that even if I do change it, GG2/Vartan or the community as a whole can always request the change be overturned.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Hmmm, with those guidelines, I propose to immediately remove fear from catphracts

Come on, I need 5 supporters and I know you are out there.

[The Celtic Viking]

Hmmm, with those guidelines, I propose to immediately remove fear from catphracts

Come on, I need 5 supporters and I know you are out there.

Seconded.

[-Stormrage-]

Against

[Kival]

Removing fear from catas is not a hotfix. Sorry. I'd like to change it but It does not fit shaks conditions

[TheShakAttack]

Agree with Kiv, I would disagree since GG2 is working on a re-jig :P

However, please do bring up any issues you think are pressing/important.

[The Celtic Viking]

Why not? It's a highly unbalancing factor for them to have, making it a huge problem best solved ASAP. That's exactly what hotixes are there for. Less important stuff like accuracy for gundi-palta is not as urgent, and are therefore less deserving of a hotfix.

[Kival]

It's intended. That's not what is meant here for change and there ovbiously is not a coherent meaning about this.

[The Celtic Viking]

It's intended. That's not what is meant here for change and there ovbiously is not a coherent meaning about this.

That doesn't matter, it's still an unbalancing factor that needs to be removed asap. That's what hotfixes are for.

I suppose by your second sentence you mean that there isn't an agreement about this, correct? If so, that's left to find out. If consensus is reached (here defined as 5 active players agreeing, not more than one disagreeing) then it should be changed, as per the new terms of changing. Personally, I know you, me, Arjos and Robin want it gone (or at least have expressed their will for it before). I think Vega agrees as well. In any case it is definitely worth throwing out there; if there isn't a consensus, it won't be done.

[Vega]

I think Vega agrees as well.

Yep i agree :D

[Arjos]

Oh I disagree, just to ruin your plans! :D

[Kival]

Oh I disagree, just to ruin your plans! :D

You need to learn to be more serious

[TheShakAttack]

I also disagree and I know at least 2 others who do so.

[Arjos]

You need to learn to be more serious

Bah I posted a whole sources backed argument in the 3.0 thread, and what we are getting is a no fear policy, so meh :P